**
Thanks for the clarification. After checking out the info about RDP on the Remedy site the screenshots looked so similar to AE that I made an assumption based on that info. I'm glad that it will be a more robust product.

One question I have is how the licensing model works when you have a development server and a production server. I might be able to swing the budget for one license of RDP but certainly not two. If I use an RDP license for my development server then how do I use the documentation piece on my production server? My development server will always differ from production as I develop new workflow and so forth so documenting the dev server won't be entirely useful for me.


-Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: Bradford Bingel [mailto:bing@ITM3.COM]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 6:51 PM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
Y'all posted some interesting comments and questions that really should be addressed:

Christopher S., I feel your pain. I too was a fan of MasterMigrator's licensing plan because it let you dynamically designate the source and destination server, from a single licensed administrative console. That was a far improvement over Remedy Migrator licensing that forced you to purchase "sticky" licenses for each Remedy server. However, licensing MasterARSuite the same way was -- to be blunt -- a pain in the rear because most customers had to purchase a separate MARS license for each developer. I'd suggest that Developer Plus licensing makes more sense and is actually more affordable. Consider a scenario where a Remedy shop has two Remedy servers (one for development/test, one for production) and five developers. With the old MARS licensing you licensed the developer, and that's potentially five MARS licenses or nearly $27,000; with Remedy Developer Plus you license the development/test server and provide tools to as many developers as you wish, so that's one license for less than $9,000. What's not to like about that?

Garron, you got it right. Buy one Remedy Developer Plus license for your development server, and let all of your developers use it.


And Rick C's comments seem to be the norm. Remedy Developer Plus appears to offer more features and run better than MasterARSuite.

Rick W., be aware that Remedy Developer Plus is most definitely not a repackaged version of Application Explorer. As mentioned before, Remedy Developer Plus incorporates the best features from the MasterARSuite's MasterAnalyzer, MasterDocumentor and MasterNavigator components, along with selected features from Application Explorer. (MasterEditor's features were NOT included since macros were eliminated in AR System 5.x and they are no longer a recommended practice.) So essentially it's an updated version of MasterARSuite with Application Explorer as well, plus a few Migrator features. List price is $8,950, same as MasterARSuite Development Edition. Add-on licenses are half-price, or $4,475, also the same as MasterARSuite Development Edition.

So to summarize, that's:

- More features than MasterARSuite
- Same price as MasterARSuite
- Better licensing model than MasterARSuite

Also, please bear in mind:

- Remedy Developer Plus 6.0 requires the Remedy Administrator 6.0.1, Remedy Administrator patch 1345 (or later) and Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 1.4.2. Also, plan on using a screen resolution of 1024x768 or higher.

- Remedy Developer Plus 6.0 will work with AR System 5.1.2 servers. Just install Developer Plus 6.0 and Administrator 6.0.1 (with patch 1345 or later) in a separate directory from Administrator 5.1.2. And remember to avoid making changes to 5.1.2 forms and workflow using Developer Plus 6.0 or Administrator 6.0.1.

And finally, please remember:

- In conjunction with the release of Developer Plus, Remedy also announced that MasterARSuite is no longer available. Technical support will continue through March 31, 2005. The good news is that current owners of MasterARSuite (Development edition or Essentials edition) are eligible for a free upgrade to Developer Plus.

- Contrary to rumor, Migrator and MasterMigrator are not part of Developer Plus. However, like MasterARSuite, MasterMigrator Plus has also been discontinued and technical support will continue through March 31, 2005. Similarly, current owners of MasterMigrator Plus are eligible for a free upgrade to Remedy Migrator.

Did that answer everyone's questions?

-- Bing


Bradford Bingel ("Bing")
ITM3 California
http://www.itm3.com/
bing@itm3.com (email)
925-260-6394 (mobile)



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Westbrock
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:43 PM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
If what I have seen so far is correct the new Developer Plus is very similar to Application Explorer (which I used and enjoyed for many months). IMHO it isn't worth $9K however, unless there are a lot more features than what I saw in the AE beta.


-Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Cook [mailto:rcook@DENALIAI.COM]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:58 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
...and RDP works WAY more solidly than ITM ever did. Faster, doesn't crash, more powerful, etc. It's like the difference between running a VB script and a C++ program in speed. If you willingly even considered paying the money for ITM, pay it for RDP.

Rick



From: Christie, Garron
Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 10:04 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


It is for individual developers, but now you only have to pay one arm and a
leg instead of an arm and a leg from each developer. I don't know if you
took a look at Master ARSuite from IT Masters, but if you think Remedy is
proud of Developer Plus, you should have seen how proud IT Masters was of
their software:-)

Garron Christie

-----Original Message-----
From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
[mailto:William.H.Duchene@USPS.GOV]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:50 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


Maybe I am reading too much into things these days, but with a name like
"Developer Plus" one may be lead to conclude that the application was
designed for - let me think hard - individual developers to take advantage
of.

My bad.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On Behalf
Of Joe DeSouza
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:31 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus

I second that... shouldnt think it will cost an arm and leg though, they
should price it nicely if they want a good mileage on it...

Joe

--- Rick Cook wrote:

> Can't answer that one, but I used it in Beta, and (IMHO) it's worth
whatever it
> costs.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
> Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 8:32 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus
>
>
> Emphasis on the last question - How much does it cost?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark Milke
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:09 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Remedy Developer Plus
>
> Hi!
>
> Is there a Demo Version of the Remedy Developer Plus? If yes, where
can
> I
> download it? Did someone use it already? Is it any good? How much does
> it cost?
>
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>

>
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Bing,
I think your math is wrong here.... (Maybe this email can spawn a "How
many developers does it take...." thread.. :)


"
Consider a scenario where a Remedy shop has two Remedy servers (one
for development/test, one for production) and five developers.
"

If a shop had two servers, that shop would likely have one developer
(or maybe two). (Not 5)

If a shop had 5 servers it would likely have 3 developers (maybe 4).
If a shop had 10 servers... it would likely have 5 developers (or maybe 7).

(Well, that is my "impression of developer requirements" for the ARS framework.)

The exception to those rules would be if you work in a company that
is constantly (massively) changing their process and would require a
higher level of development activity during those periods. However, if
your company is completely rewriting most or all of there applications
every year or two, well... I am not sure I would want to work in such
a volatile company.

--
Carey Matthew Black
Remedy Skilled Professional (RSP)
ARS = Action Request System(Remedy)

Solution = People + Process + Tools
Fast, Accurate, Cheap.... Pick two.
Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence.

**

Use whatever developer:server ratio you wish. The point was to illustrate the new licensing rules and pricing, not comment on how Remedy support teams should be structured or suggest IT operations management policy.

-- Bing

-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ mailto:ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Carey Matthew Black
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:20 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus

Bing,
I think your math is wrong here.... (Maybe this email can spawn a "How
many developers does it take...." thread.. :)


"
Consider a scenario where a Remedy shop has two Remedy servers (one
for development/test, one for production) and five developers.
"

If a shop had two servers, that shop would likely have one developer
(or maybe two). (Not 5)

If a shop had 5 servers it would likely have 3 developers (maybe 4).
If a shop had 10 servers... it would likely have 5 developers (or maybe 7).

(Well, that is my "impression of developer requirements" for the ARS framework.)

The exception to those rules would be if you work in a company that
is constantly (massively) changing their process and would require a
higher level of development activity during those periods. However, if
your company is completely rewriting most or all of there applications
every year or two, well... I am not sure I would want to work in such
a volatile company.

--
Carey Matthew Black
Remedy Skilled Professional (RSP)
ARS = Action Request System(Remedy)

Solution = People + Process + Tools
Fast, Accurate, Cheap.... Pick two.
Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence.





This posting was submitted via the Web interface

**
Unlikely. Remedy Migrator list price is $7,500 for the first pair of servers, $2,500 for each additional server. Perhaps you bought a total of three (3) licenses? ($7,500 + $2,500)

By comparison, MasterMigrator Plus listed for $7,450, but was licensed completely differently so you rarely had to purchase additional licenses.

-- Bing

Bradford Bingel ("Bing")
ITM3 California
http://www.itm3.com/
bing@itm3.com (email)
925-260-6394 (mobile)



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Zandi Patrick S TSgt AFRL/IFOSS
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:12 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
Funny, I believe I paid 9k for migrator, I am still paying 1500 in support
1500 @ 15% , Orig cost 9.9k..

What did master migrator originally cost ?



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Bradford Bingel
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:51 PM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
Y'all posted some interesting comments and questions that really should be addressed:

Christopher S., I feel your pain. I too was a fan of MasterMigrator's licensing plan because it let you dynamically designate the source and destination server, from a single licensed administrative console. That was a far improvement over Remedy Migrator licensing that forced you to purchase "sticky" licenses for each Remedy server. However, licensing MasterARSuite the same way was -- to be blunt -- a pain in the rear because most customers had to purchase a separate MARS license for each developer. I'd suggest that Developer Plus licensing makes more sense and is actually more affordable. Consider a scenario where a Remedy shop has two Remedy servers (one for development/test, one for production) and five developers. With the old MARS licensing you licensed the developer, and that's potentially five MARS licenses or nearly $27,000; with Remedy Developer Plus you license the development/test server and provide tools to as many developers as you wish, so that's one license for less than $9,000. What's not to like about that?

Garron, you got it right. Buy one Remedy Developer Plus license for your development server, and let all of your developers use it.

And Rick C's comments seem to be the norm. Remedy Developer Plus appears to offer more features and run better than MasterARSuite.

Rick W., be aware that Remedy Developer Plus is most definitely not a repackaged version of Application Explorer. As mentioned before, Remedy Developer Plus incorporates the best features from the MasterARSuite's MasterAnalyzer, MasterDocumentor and MasterNavigator components, along with selected features from Application Explorer. (MasterEditor's features were NOT included since macros were eliminated in AR System 5.x and they are no longer a recommended practice.) So essentially it's an updated version of MasterARSuite with Application Explorer as well, plus a few Migrator features. List price is $8,950, same as MasterARSuite Development Edition. Add-on licenses are half-price, or $4,475, also the same as MasterARSuite Development Edition.

So to summarize, that's:

- More features than MasterARSuite
- Same price as MasterARSuite
- Better licensing model than MasterARSuite

Also, please bear in mind:

- Remedy Developer Plus 6.0 requires the Remedy Administrator 6.0.1, Remedy Administrator patch 1345 (or later) and Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 1.4.2. Also, plan on using a screen resolution of 1024x768 or higher.

- Remedy Developer Plus 6.0 will work with AR System 5.1.2 servers. Just install Developer Plus 6.0 and Administrator 6.0.1 (with patch 1345 or later) in a separate directory from Administrator 5.1.2. And remember to avoid making changes to 5.1.2 forms and workflow using Developer Plus 6.0 or Administrator 6.0.1.

And finally, please remember:

- In conjunction with the release of Developer Plus, Remedy also announced that MasterARSuite is no longer available. Technical support will continue through March 31, 2005. The good news is that current owners of MasterARSuite (Development edition or Essentials edition) are eligible for a free upgrade to Developer Plus.

- Contrary to rumor, Migrator and MasterMigrator are not part of Developer Plus. However, like MasterARSuite, MasterMigrator Plus has also been discontinued and technical support will continue through March 31, 2005. Similarly, current owners of MasterMigrator Plus are eligible for a free upgrade to Remedy Migrator.

Did that answer everyone's questions?

-- Bing

Bradford Bingel ("Bing")
ITM3 California
http://www.itm3.com/
bing@itm3.com (email)
925-260-6394 (mobile)



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Westbrock
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:43 PM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
If what I have seen so far is correct the new Developer Plus is very similar to Application Explorer (which I used and enjoyed for many months). IMHO it isn't worth $9K however, unless there are a lot more features than what I saw in the AE beta.


-Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Cook [mailto:rcook@DENALIAI.COM]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:58 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
...and RDP works WAY more solidly than ITM ever did. Faster, doesn't crash, more powerful, etc. It's like the difference between running a VB script and a C++ program in speed. If you willingly even considered paying the money for ITM, pay it for RDP.

Rick



From: Christie, Garron
Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 10:04 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


It is for individual developers, but now you only have to pay one arm and a
leg instead of an arm and a leg from each developer. I don't know if you
took a look at Master ARSuite from IT Masters, but if you think Remedy is
proud of Developer Plus, you should have seen how proud IT Masters was of
their software:-)

Garron Christie

-----Original Message-----
From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
[mailto:William.H.Duchene@USPS.GOV]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:50 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


Maybe I am reading too much into things these days, but with a name like
"Developer Plus" one may be lead to conclude that the application was
designed for - let me think hard - individual developers to take advantage
of.

My bad.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On Behalf
Of Joe DeSouza
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:31 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus

I second that... shouldnt think it will cost an arm and leg though, they
should price it nicely if they want a good mileage on it...

Joe

--- Rick Cook wrote:

> Can't answer that one, but I used it in Beta, and (IMHO) it's worth
whatever it
> costs.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
> Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 8:32 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus
>
>
> Emphasis on the last question - How much does it cost?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark Milke
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:09 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Remedy Developer Plus
>
> Hi!
>
> Is there a Demo Version of the Remedy Developer Plus? If yes, where
can
> I
> download it? Did someone use it already? Is it any good? How much does
> it cost?
>
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>

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Matt,

I would have to say that a two-server environment can have (easily) up to a
5 developer team. I don't think that they all would be dedicated to
development projects (server and performance tuning comes to mind)... it is
definitely, as you point out, dependent on the business needs.

In our case, Remedy is still 'permeating' throughout the enterprise. As
that happens, more and more uses are being found for and converted into
Remedy. :) Will we always need such a large team? who knows... I think
that at some point we will become a mature shop with applications that do
not change much and won't require too much tuning... However, given our
current rate of growth (as far as new applications), I don't see it
happening soon.

Matt R.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carey Matthew Black [mailto:black.123@GMAIL.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:20 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


Bing,
I think your math is wrong here.... (Maybe this email can spawn a "How
many developers does it take...." thread.. :)


"
Consider a scenario where a Remedy shop has two Remedy servers (one
for development/test, one for production) and five developers.
"

If a shop had two servers, that shop would likely have one developer
(or maybe two). (Not 5)

If a shop had 5 servers it would likely have 3 developers (maybe 4).
If a shop had 10 servers... it would likely have 5 developers (or maybe 7).

(Well, that is my "impression of developer requirements" for the ARS
framework.)

The exception to those rules would be if you work in a company that
is constantly (massively) changing their process and would require a
higher level of development activity during those periods. However, if
your company is completely rewriting most or all of there applications
every year or two, well... I am not sure I would want to work in such
a volatile company.

--
Carey Matthew Black
Remedy Skilled Professional (RSP)
ARS = Action Request System(Remedy)

Solution = People + Process + Tools
Fast, Accurate, Cheap.... Pick two.
Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence.



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**
No worries, Rick. In fact, you're wise to exercise caution regarding any new "development tool" (Remedy or otherwise).

Offhand I'd suggest considering only one Develop Plus license, for your development server. (Suspect you'll be using the analytical features primarily on the development server, not the production server.) If your development server acts as a "staging" environment for the production server, then it's easy to document everything from the development server after the update application build passes acceptance testing, but before it's transferred to the production environment. If your development server does not act as a "staging" environment for the production server (though I would be confused as to why you'd want to do it that way), then you can always export def files and sample data from the production server back to the development server, and run the Developer Plus analytics. Either way, you only need one Developer Plus license, on the development server.

Did I miss anything?

-- Bing

Bradford Bingel ("Bing")
ITM3 California
http://www.itm3.com/
bing@itm3.com (email)
925-260-6394 (mobile)



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Westbrock
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:59 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
Thanks for the clarification. After checking out the info about RDP on the Remedy site the screenshots looked so similar to AE that I made an assumption based on that info. I'm glad that it will be a more robust product.

One question I have is how the licensing model works when you have a development server and a production server. I might be able to swing the budget for one license of RDP but certainly not two. If I use an RDP license for my development server then how do I use the documentation piece on my production server? My development server will always differ from production as I develop new workflow and so forth so documenting the dev server won't be entirely useful for me.


-Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: Bradford Bingel [mailto:bing@ITM3.COM]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 6:51 PM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
Y'all posted some interesting comments and questions that really should be addressed:

Christopher S., I feel your pain. I too was a fan of MasterMigrator's licensing plan because it let you dynamically designate the source and destination server, from a single licensed administrative console. That was a far improvement over Remedy Migrator licensing that forced you to purchase "sticky" licenses for each Remedy server. However, licensing MasterARSuite the same way was -- to be blunt -- a pain in the rear because most customers had to purchase a separate MARS license for each developer. I'd suggest that Developer Plus licensing makes more sense and is actually more affordable. Consider a scenario where a Remedy shop has two Remedy servers (one for development/test, one for production) and five developers. With the old MARS licensing you licensed the developer, and that's potentially five MARS licenses or nearly $27,000; with Remedy Developer Plus you license the development/test server and provide tools to as many developers as you wish, so that's one license for less than $9,000. What's not to like about that?

Garron, you got it right. Buy one Remedy Developer Plus license for your development server, and let all of your developers use it.


And Rick C's comments seem to be the norm. Remedy Developer Plus appears to offer more features and run better than MasterARSuite.

Rick W., be aware that Remedy Developer Plus is most definitely not a repackaged version of Application Explorer. As mentioned before, Remedy Developer Plus incorporates the best features from the MasterARSuite's MasterAnalyzer, MasterDocumentor and MasterNavigator components, along with selected features from Application Explorer. (MasterEditor's features were NOT included since macros were eliminated in AR System 5.x and they are no longer a recommended practice.) So essentially it's an updated version of MasterARSuite with Application Explorer as well, plus a few Migrator features. List price is $8,950, same as MasterARSuite Development Edition. Add-on licenses are half-price, or $4,475, also the same as MasterARSuite Development Edition.

So to summarize, that's:

- More features than MasterARSuite
- Same price as MasterARSuite
- Better licensing model than MasterARSuite

Also, please bear in mind:

- Remedy Developer Plus 6.0 requires the Remedy Administrator 6.0.1, Remedy Administrator patch 1345 (or later) and Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 1.4.2. Also, plan on using a screen resolution of 1024x768 or higher.

- Remedy Developer Plus 6.0 will work with AR System 5.1.2 servers. Just install Developer Plus 6.0 and Administrator 6.0.1 (with patch 1345 or later) in a separate directory from Administrator 5.1.2. And remember to avoid making changes to 5.1.2 forms and workflow using Developer Plus 6.0 or Administrator 6.0.1.

And finally, please remember:

- In conjunction with the release of Developer Plus, Remedy also announced that MasterARSuite is no longer available. Technical support will continue through March 31, 2005. The good news is that current owners of MasterARSuite (Development edition or Essentials edition) are eligible for a free upgrade to Developer Plus.

- Contrary to rumor, Migrator and MasterMigrator are not part of Developer Plus. However, like MasterARSuite, MasterMigrator Plus has also been discontinued and technical support will continue through March 31, 2005. Similarly, current owners of MasterMigrator Plus are eligible for a free upgrade to Remedy Migrator.

Did that answer everyone's questions?

-- Bing


Bradford Bingel ("Bing")
ITM3 California
http://www.itm3.com/
bing@itm3.com (email)
925-260-6394 (mobile)



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Westbrock
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:43 PM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
If what I have seen so far is correct the new Developer Plus is very similar to Application Explorer (which I used and enjoyed for many months). IMHO it isn't worth $9K however, unless there are a lot more features than what I saw in the AE beta.


-Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Cook [mailto:rcook@DENALIAI.COM]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:58 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
...and RDP works WAY more solidly than ITM ever did. Faster, doesn't crash, more powerful, etc. It's like the difference between running a VB script and a C++ program in speed. If you willingly even considered paying the money for ITM, pay it for RDP.

Rick



From: Christie, Garron
Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 10:04 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


It is for individual developers, but now you only have to pay one arm and a
leg instead of an arm and a leg from each developer. I don't know if you
took a look at Master ARSuite from IT Masters, but if you think Remedy is
proud of Developer Plus, you should have seen how proud IT Masters was of
their software:-)

Garron Christie

-----Original Message-----
From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
[mailto:William.H.Duchene@USPS.GOV]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:50 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


Maybe I am reading too much into things these days, but with a name like
"Developer Plus" one may be lead to conclude that the application was
designed for - let me think hard - individual developers to take advantage
of.

My bad.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On Behalf
Of Joe DeSouza
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:31 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus

I second that... shouldnt think it will cost an arm and leg though, they
should price it nicely if they want a good mileage on it...

Joe

--- Rick Cook wrote:

> Can't answer that one, but I used it in Beta, and (IMHO) it's worth
whatever it
> costs.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
> Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 8:32 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus
>
>
> Emphasis on the last question - How much does it cost?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Mark Milke
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:09 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Remedy Developer Plus
>
> Hi!
>
> Is there a Demo Version of the Remedy Developer Plus? If yes, where
can
> I
> download it? Did someone use it already? Is it any good? How much does
> it cost?
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>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
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The only way to accomplish this would be to transfer the license back and forth. Not sure how many time Remedy will let you do that as you are not changing anything on the new server. It really is not fair for those of use who have multiple Remedy environments. It is just another example of how Remedy will eventually price themselves out of their customers budget.



Just my opinion.



Roger A. Nall

T-Mobile USA

OSSNMS Remedy Administrator/Developer

Desk -973-644-3963

PCS-973-652-6723

Fax -973-490-3296



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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ARSLI ST@ARSLIST.ORG]On Behalf Of Rick Westbrock
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:59 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus



Thanks for the clarification. After checking out the info about RDP on the Remedy site the screenshots looked so similar to AE that I made an assumption based on that info. I'm glad that it will be a more robust product.



One question I have is how the licensing model works when you have a development server and a production server. I might be able to swing the budget for one license of RDP but certainly not two. If I use an RDP license for my development server then how do I use the documentation piece on my production server? My development server will always differ from production as I develop new workflow and so forth so documenting the dev server won't be entirely useful for me.





-Rick





Roger A. Nall

T-Mobile USA

OSSNMS Remedy Administrator/Developer

Desk -973-644-3963

PCS-973-652-6723

Fax -973-490-3296



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On the server setup - do most people on the list use a two server setup (one dev/test server, one prod server)?

We have a development server, staging/testing server, and also a separate training server. This allows us to develop, test & train without conflict or delay. If a tester discovers a UAT issue, they can keep testing whilst we develop fixes on our dev server. It doesn't matter if we have to break code to fix the issue, because only developers access the dev server.

Do other people have this kind of setup?




From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Bradford Bingel
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:48 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
No worries, Rick. In fact, you're wise to exercise caution regarding any new "development tool" (Remedy or otherwise).

Offhand I'd suggest considering only one Develop Plus license, for your development server. (Suspect you'll be using the analytical features primarily on the development server, not the production server.) If your development server acts as a "staging" environment for the production server, then it's easy to document everything from the development server after the update application build passes acceptance testing, but before it's transferred to the production environment. If your development server does not act as a "staging" environment for the production server (though I would be confused as to why you'd want to do it that way), then you can always export def files and sample data from the production server back to the development server, and run the Developer Plus analytics. Either way, you only need one Developer Plus license, on the development server.

Did I miss anything?

-- Bing


Bradford Bingel ("Bing")
ITM3 California
http://www.itm3.com/
bing@itm3.com (email)
925-260-6394 (mobile)



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Westbrock
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:59 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
Thanks for the clarification. After checking out the info about RDP on the Remedy site the screenshots looked so similar to AE that I made an assumption based on that info. I'm glad that it will be a more robust product.

One question I have is how the licensing model works when you have a development server and a production server. I might be able to swing the budget for one license of RDP but certainly not two. If I use an RDP license for my development server then how do I use the documentation piece on my production server? My development server will always differ from production as I develop new workflow and so forth so documenting the dev server won't be entirely useful for me.


-Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: Bradford Bingel [mailto:bing@ITM3.COM]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 6:51 PM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
Y'all posted some interesting comments and questions that really should be addressed:

Christopher S., I feel your pain. I too was a fan of MasterMigrator's licensing plan because it let you dynamically designate the source and destination server, from a single licensed administrative console. That was a far improvement over Remedy Migrator licensing that forced you to purchase "sticky" licenses for each Remedy server. However, licensing MasterARSuite the same way was -- to be blunt -- a pain in the rear because most customers had to purchase a separate MARS license for each developer. I'd suggest that Developer Plus licensing makes more sense and is actually more affordable. Consider a scenario where a Remedy shop has two Remedy servers (one for development/test, one for production) and five developers. With the old MARS licensing you licensed the developer, and that's potentially five MARS licenses or nearly $27,000; with Remedy Developer Plus you license the development/test server and provide tools to as many developers as you wish, so that's one license for less than $9,000. What's not to like about that?

Garron, you got it right. Buy one Remedy Developer Plus license for your development server, and let all of your developers use it.


And Rick C's comments seem to be the norm. Remedy Developer Plus appears to offer more features and run better than MasterARSuite.

Rick W., be aware that Remedy Developer Plus is most definitely not a repackaged version of Application Explorer. As mentioned before, Remedy Developer Plus incorporates the best features from the MasterARSuite's MasterAnalyzer, MasterDocumentor and MasterNavigator components, along with selected features from Application Explorer. (MasterEditor's features were NOT included since macros were eliminated in AR System 5.x and they are no longer a recommended practice.) So essentially it's an updated version of MasterARSuite with Application Explorer as well, plus a few Migrator features. List price is $8,950, same as MasterARSuite Development Edition. Add-on licenses are half-price, or $4,475, also the same as MasterARSuite Development Edition.

So to summarize, that's:

- More features than MasterARSuite
- Same price as MasterARSuite
- Better licensing model than MasterARSuite

Also, please bear in mind:

- Remedy Developer Plus 6.0 requires the Remedy Administrator 6.0.1, Remedy Administrator patch 1345 (or later) and Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 1.4.2. Also, plan on using a screen resolution of 1024x768 or higher.

- Remedy Developer Plus 6.0 will work with AR System 5.1.2 servers. Just install Developer Plus 6.0 and Administrator 6.0.1 (with patch 1345 or later) in a separate directory from Administrator 5.1.2. And remember to avoid making changes to 5.1.2 forms and workflow using Developer Plus 6.0 or Administrator 6.0.1.

And finally, please remember:

- In conjunction with the release of Developer Plus, Remedy also announced that MasterARSuite is no longer available. Technical support will continue through March 31, 2005. The good news is that current owners of MasterARSuite (Development edition or Essentials edition) are eligible for a free upgrade to Developer Plus.

- Contrary to rumor, Migrator and MasterMigrator are not part of Developer Plus. However, like MasterARSuite, MasterMigrator Plus has also been discontinued and technical support will continue through March 31, 2005. Similarly, current owners of MasterMigrator Plus are eligible for a free upgrade to Remedy Migrator.

Did that answer everyone's questions?

-- Bing


Bradford Bingel ("Bing")
ITM3 California
http://www.itm3.com/
bing@itm3.com (email)
925-260-6394 (mobile)



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Westbrock
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:43 PM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


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If what I have seen so far is correct the new Developer Plus is very similar to Application Explorer (which I used and enjoyed for many months). IMHO it isn't worth $9K however, unless there are a lot more features than what I saw in the AE beta.


-Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Cook [mailto:rcook@DENALIAI.COM]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:58 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


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...and RDP works WAY more solidly than ITM ever did. Faster, doesn't crash, more powerful, etc. It's like the difference between running a VB script and a C++ program in speed. If you willingly even considered paying the money for ITM, pay it for RDP.

Rick



From: Christie, Garron
Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 10:04 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


It is for individual developers, but now you only have to pay one arm and a
leg instead of an arm and a leg from each developer. I don't know if you
took a look at Master ARSuite from IT Masters, but if you think Remedy is
proud of Developer Plus, you should have seen how proud IT Masters was of
their software:-)

Garron Christie

-----Original Message-----
From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
[mailto:William.H.Duchene@USPS.GOV]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:50 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


Maybe I am reading too much into things these days, but with a name like
"Developer Plus" one may be lead to conclude that the application was
designed for - let me think hard - individual developers to take advantage
of.

My bad.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On Behalf
Of Joe DeSouza
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:31 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus

I second that... shouldnt think it will cost an arm and leg though, they
should price it nicely if they want a good mileage on it...

Joe

--- Rick Cook wrote:

> Can't answer that one, but I used it in Beta, and (IMHO) it's worth
whatever it
> costs.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
> Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 8:32 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus
>
>
> Emphasis on the last question - How much does it cost?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark Milke
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:09 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Remedy Developer Plus
>
> Hi!
>
> Is there a Demo Version of the Remedy Developer Plus? If yes, where
can
> I
> download it? Did someone use it already? Is it any good? How much does
> it cost?
>
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>

>
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My last customer had a Production, QA and a Development server. This worked very well for them and helped them maintain a shop that had differently developed applications on a single server. (They also had separate Mid-Tier servers for each.)

Most of my customers lately have had at least a two server setup (dev/prod).

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Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:49 PM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
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On the server setup - do most people on the list use a two server setup (one dev/test server, one prod server)?

We have a development server, staging/testing server, and also a separate training server. This allows us to develop, test & train without conflict or delay. If a tester discovers a UAT issue, they can keep testing whilst we develop fixes on our dev server. It doesn't matter if we have to break code to fix the issue, because only developers access the dev server.

Do other people have this kind of setup?




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Lucky to have a soon to be licensed dev box it has been unlicenced for a year....and production fully licenced. Cost sole factor for this. Company does not want to spend that much money for a dev box much less any other....

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On the server setup - do most people on the list use a two server setup (one dev/test server, one prod server)?

We have a development server, staging/testing server, and also a separate training server. This allows us to develop, test & train without conflict or delay. If a tester discovers a UAT issue, they can keep testing whilst we develop fixes on our dev server. It doesn't matter if we have to break code to fix the issue, because only developers access the dev server.

Do other people have this kind of setup?




From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Bradford Bingel
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:48 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
No worries, Rick. In fact, you're wise to exercise caution regarding any new "development tool" (Remedy or otherwise).

Offhand I'd suggest considering only one Develop Plus license, for your development server. (Suspect you'll be using the analytical features primarily on the development server, not the production server.) If your development server acts as a "staging" environment for the production server, then it's easy to document everything from the development server after the update application build passes acceptance testing, but before it's transferred to the production environment. If your development server does not act as a "staging" environment for the production server (though I would be confused as to why you'd want to do it that way), then you can always export def files and sample data from the production server back to the development server, and run the Developer Plus analytics. Either way, you only need one Developer Plus license, on the development server.

Did I miss anything?

-- Bing


Bradford Bingel ("Bing")
ITM3 California
http://www.itm3.com/
bing@itm3.com (email)
925-260-6394 (mobile)



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Westbrock
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:59 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
Thanks for the clarification. After checking out the info about RDP on the Remedy site the screenshots looked so similar to AE that I made an assumption based on that info. I'm glad that it will be a more robust product.

One question I have is how the licensing model works when you have a development server and a production server. I might be able to swing the budget for one license of RDP but certainly not two. If I use an RDP license for my development server then how do I use the documentation piece on my production server? My development server will always differ from production as I develop new workflow and so forth so documenting the dev server won't be entirely useful for me.


-Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: Bradford Bingel [mailto:bing@ITM3.COM]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 6:51 PM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
Y'all posted some interesting comments and questions that really should be addressed:

Christopher S., I feel your pain. I too was a fan of MasterMigrator's licensing plan because it let you dynamically designate the source and destination server, from a single licensed administrative console. That was a far improvement over Remedy Migrator licensing that forced you to purchase "sticky" licenses for each Remedy server. However, licensing MasterARSuite the same way was -- to be blunt -- a pain in the rear because most customers had to purchase a separate MARS license for each developer. I'd suggest that Developer Plus licensing makes more sense and is actually more affordable. Consider a scenario where a Remedy shop has two Remedy servers (one for development/test, one for production) and five developers. With the old MARS licensing you licensed the developer, and that's potentially five MARS licenses or nearly $27,000; with Remedy Developer Plus you license the development/test server and provide tools to as many developers as you wish, so that's one license for less than $9,000. What's not to like about that?

Garron, you got it right. Buy one Remedy Developer Plus license for your development server, and let all of your developers use it.


And Rick C's comments seem to be the norm. Remedy Developer Plus appears to offer more features and run better than MasterARSuite.

Rick W., be aware that Remedy Developer Plus is most definitely not a repackaged version of Application Explorer. As mentioned before, Remedy Developer Plus incorporates the best features from the MasterARSuite's MasterAnalyzer, MasterDocumentor and MasterNavigator components, along with selected features from Application Explorer. (MasterEditor's features were NOT included since macros were eliminated in AR System 5.x and they are no longer a recommended practice.) So essentially it's an updated version of MasterARSuite with Application Explorer as well, plus a few Migrator features. List price is $8,950, same as MasterARSuite Development Edition. Add-on licenses are half-price, or $4,475, also the same as MasterARSuite Development Edition.

So to summarize, that's:

- More features than MasterARSuite
- Same price as MasterARSuite
- Better licensing model than MasterARSuite

Also, please bear in mind:

- Remedy Developer Plus 6.0 requires the Remedy Administrator 6.0.1, Remedy Administrator patch 1345 (or later) and Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 1.4.2. Also, plan on using a screen resolution of 1024x768 or higher.

- Remedy Developer Plus 6.0 will work with AR System 5.1.2 servers. Just install Developer Plus 6.0 and Administrator 6.0.1 (with patch 1345 or later) in a separate directory from Administrator 5.1.2. And remember to avoid making changes to 5.1.2 forms and workflow using Developer Plus 6.0 or Administrator 6.0.1.

And finally, please remember:

- In conjunction with the release of Developer Plus, Remedy also announced that MasterARSuite is no longer available. Technical support will continue through March 31, 2005. The good news is that current owners of MasterARSuite (Development edition or Essentials edition) are eligible for a free upgrade to Developer Plus.

- Contrary to rumor, Migrator and MasterMigrator are not part of Developer Plus. However, like MasterARSuite, MasterMigrator Plus has also been discontinued and technical support will continue through March 31, 2005. Similarly, current owners of MasterMigrator Plus are eligible for a free upgrade to Remedy Migrator.

Did that answer everyone's questions?

-- Bing


Bradford Bingel ("Bing")
ITM3 California
http://www.itm3.com/
bing@itm3.com (email)
925-260-6394 (mobile)



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Westbrock
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:43 PM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
If what I have seen so far is correct the new Developer Plus is very similar to Application Explorer (which I used and enjoyed for many months). IMHO it isn't worth $9K however, unless there are a lot more features than what I saw in the AE beta.


-Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Cook [mailto:rcook@DENALIAI.COM]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:58 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
...and RDP works WAY more solidly than ITM ever did. Faster, doesn't crash, more powerful, etc. It's like the difference between running a VB script and a C++ program in speed. If you willingly even considered paying the money for ITM, pay it for RDP.

Rick



From: Christie, Garron
Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 10:04 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


It is for individual developers, but now you only have to pay one arm and a
leg instead of an arm and a leg from each developer. I don't know if you
took a look at Master ARSuite from IT Masters, but if you think Remedy is
proud of Developer Plus, you should have seen how proud IT Masters was of
their software:-)

Garron Christie

-----Original Message-----
From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
[mailto:William.H.Duchene@USPS.GOV]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:50 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


Maybe I am reading too much into things these days, but with a name like
"Developer Plus" one may be lead to conclude that the application was
designed for - let me think hard - individual developers to take advantage
of.

My bad.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On Behalf
Of Joe DeSouza
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:31 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus

I second that... shouldnt think it will cost an arm and leg though, they
should price it nicely if they want a good mileage on it...

Joe

--- Rick Cook wrote:

> Can't answer that one, but I used it in Beta, and (IMHO) it's worth
whatever it
> costs.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
> Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 8:32 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus
>
>
> Emphasis on the last question - How much does it cost?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark Milke
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:09 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Remedy Developer Plus
>
> Hi!
>
> Is there a Demo Version of the Remedy Developer Plus? If yes, where
can
> I
> download it? Did someone use it already? Is it any good? How much does
> it cost?
>
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>

>
> UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSList Archives at http://www.ARSLIST.org
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