It is for individual developers, but now you only have to pay one arm and a
leg instead of an arm and a leg from each developer. I don't know if you
took a look at Master ARSuite from IT Masters, but if you think Remedy is
proud of Developer Plus, you should have seen how proud IT Masters was of
their software:-)

Garron Christie

-----Original Message-----
From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
[mailto:William.H.Duchene@USPS.GOV]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:50 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


Maybe I am reading too much into things these days, but with a name like
"Developer Plus" one may be lead to conclude that the application was
designed for - let me think hard - individual developers to take advantage
of.

My bad.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On Behalf
Of Joe DeSouza
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:31 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus

I second that... shouldnt think it will cost an arm and leg though, they
should price it nicely if they want a good mileage on it...

Joe

--- Rick Cook wrote:

> Can't answer that one, but I used it in Beta, and (IMHO) it's worth
whatever it
> costs.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
> Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 8:32 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus
>
>
> Emphasis on the last question - How much does it cost?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark Milke
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:09 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Remedy Developer Plus
>
> Hi!
>
> Is there a Demo Version of the Remedy Developer Plus? If yes, where
can
> I
> download it? Did someone use it already? Is it any good? How much does
> it cost?
>
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>

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Maybe that's Canadian. Actually, I didn't think it was toooo bad.

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
[mailto:William.H.Duchene@USPS.GOV]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:16 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


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Excuse me while I go and lie down... The sticker shock was too much for
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Behalf Of Bradford Bingel
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:56 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: RE: Remedy Developer Plus

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Remedy Developer Plus incorporates the best features from the
MasterARSuite's MasterAnalyzer, MasterDocumentor and MasterNavigator
components, along with selected features from Application Explorer.
(MasterEditor's features were NOT included since macros were eliminated
in AR System 5.x and they are no longer a recommended practice.) List
price is $8,950 per server, plus annual maintenance (pro-rated to your
support contract renewal date, of course). Add-on licenses are
available at half-price, or $4,475 per server, plus maintenance. Want
an eval license? Give me a call or send an email.

In conjunction with the release of Developer Plus, Remedy also announced
that MasterARSuite is no longer available. Technical support will
continue through March 31, 2005. The good news is that current owners
of MasterARSuite (Development edition or Essentials edition) are
eligible for a free upgrade to Developer Plus.

Contrary to rumor, Migrator and MasterMigrator are not part of Developer
Plus. However, like MasterARSuite, MasterMigrator Plus has also been
discontinued and technical support will continue through March 31, 2005.
Similarly, current owners of MasterMigrator Plus are eligible for a free
upgrade to Remedy Migrator.

Need assistance with your upgrade, more information or have additional
questions? Please contact me directly, off the ARSlist.

-- Bing

Bradford Bingel ("Bing")
ITM3 California
http://www.itm3.com/ =20
bing@itm3.com (email)
925-260-6394 (mobile)

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Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 8:32 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus

Emphasis on the last question - How much does it cost?


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] On
Behalf Of Mark Milke
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:09 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Remedy Developer Plus

Hi!

Is there a Demo Version of the Remedy Developer Plus? If yes, where can
I
download it? Did someone use it already? Is it any good? How much does
it
cost?


Thanks
Mark



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MasterNavigator components, along with selected features from =
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practice.)  List price is style=3D'font-family:Verdana'>$8,950 per =
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course).  Add-on licenses are available at half-price, or $4,475 =
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call or
send an email.



In conjunction with the release of Developer Plus, Remedy also announced =
that
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continue
through March 31, 2005.  The good news is that current owners of
MasterARSuite (Development edition or Essentials edition) are eligible =
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been
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Need assistance with your upgrade, more information or have additional
questions?  Please contact me directly, off the ARSlist.



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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 8:32 AM

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Behalf Of Mark Milke

Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:09 AM

To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG

Subject: Remedy Developer Plus



Hi!



Is there a Demo Version of the Remedy Developer Plus? If yes, where =
can

I

download it? Did someone use it already? Is it any good? How much =
does

it

cost?





Thanks

Mark



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Yes, I remember this as well. We had a copy on one of the sites I was at
previously, and I would be remiss if I did not say that I thought that
it was a fine tool, as are many of the tools that are out there.

If just under 9k *is* priced for individual developers, do they also
include a happy meal? I mean, they have to leave you something, right?
Is this more of the same "Byzantine licensing?" ( Saw that in a post and
laughed aloud. Spent the next twenty minutes chuckling. ) Everything is
tied to the server. I am curious to know - is the 9k for one developer,
for one server license in which multiple developers can connect, or is
it per developer connection to the server?

Such a price is well out of the reach of the developers that I know (
unless they won the Trump Lotto and did not wanna share ).

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On
Behalf Of Christie, Garron
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 12:04 PM
To: 'arslist@ARSLIST.ORG'
Subject: RE: Remedy Developer Plus

It is for individual developers, but now you only have to pay one arm
and a
leg instead of an arm and a leg from each developer. I don't know if you
took a look at Master ARSuite from IT Masters, but if you think Remedy
is
proud of Developer Plus, you should have seen how proud IT Masters was
of
their software:-)

Garron Christie

-----Original Message-----
From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
[mailto:William.H.Duchene@USPS.GOV]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:50 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


Maybe I am reading too much into things these days, but with a name like
"Developer Plus" one may be lead to conclude that the application was
designed for - let me think hard - individual developers to take
advantage
of.

My bad.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On
Behalf
Of Joe DeSouza
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:31 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus

I second that... shouldnt think it will cost an arm and leg though, they
should price it nicely if they want a good mileage on it...

Joe

--- Rick Cook wrote:

> Can't answer that one, but I used it in Beta, and (IMHO) it's worth
whatever it
> costs.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
> Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 8:32 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus
>
>
> Emphasis on the last question - How much does it cost?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark Milke
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:09 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Remedy Developer Plus
>
> Hi!
>
> Is there a Demo Version of the Remedy Developer Plus? If yes, where
can
> I
> download it? Did someone use it already? Is it any good? How much does
> it cost?
>
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>

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...and RDP works WAY more solidly than ITM ever did. Faster, doesn't crash, more powerful, etc. It's like the difference between running a VB script and a C++ program in speed. If you willingly even considered paying the money for ITM, pay it for RDP.

Rick



From: Christie, Garron
Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 10:04 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


It is for individual developers, but now you only have to pay one arm and a
leg instead of an arm and a leg from each developer. I don't know if you
took a look at Master ARSuite from IT Masters, but if you think Remedy is
proud of Developer Plus, you should have seen how proud IT Masters was of
their software:-)

Garron Christie

-----Original Message-----
From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
[mailto:William.H.Duchene@USPS.GOV]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:50 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


Maybe I am reading too much into things these days, but with a name like
"Developer Plus" one may be lead to conclude that the application was
designed for - let me think hard - individual developers to take advantage
of.

My bad.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On Behalf
Of Joe DeSouza
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:31 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus

I second that... shouldnt think it will cost an arm and leg though, they
should price it nicely if they want a good mileage on it...

Joe

--- Rick Cook wrote:

> Can't answer that one, but I used it in Beta, and (IMHO) it's worth
whatever it
> costs.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
> Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 8:32 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus
>
>
> Emphasis on the last question - How much does it cost?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark Milke
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:09 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Remedy Developer Plus
>
> Hi!
>
> Is there a Demo Version of the Remedy Developer Plus? If yes, where
can
> I
> download it? Did someone use it already? Is it any good? How much does
> it cost?
>
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>

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If what I have seen so far is correct the new Developer Plus is very similar to Application Explorer (which I used and enjoyed for many months). IMHO it isn't worth $9K however, unless there are a lot more features than what I saw in the AE beta.


-Rick


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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:58 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


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...and RDP works WAY more solidly than ITM ever did. Faster, doesn't crash, more powerful, etc. It's like the difference between running a VB script and a C++ program in speed. If you willingly even considered paying the money for ITM, pay it for RDP.

Rick



From: Christie, Garron
Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 10:04 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


It is for individual developers, but now you only have to pay one arm and a
leg instead of an arm and a leg from each developer. I don't know if you
took a look at Master ARSuite from IT Masters, but if you think Remedy is
proud of Developer Plus, you should have seen how proud IT Masters was of
their software:-)

Garron Christie

-----Original Message-----
From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
[mailto:William.H.Duchene@USPS.GOV]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:50 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


Maybe I am reading too much into things these days, but with a name like
"Developer Plus" one may be lead to conclude that the application was
designed for - let me think hard - individual developers to take advantage
of.

My bad.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On Behalf
Of Joe DeSouza
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:31 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus

I second that... shouldnt think it will cost an arm and leg though, they
should price it nicely if they want a good mileage on it...

Joe

--- Rick Cook wrote:

> Can't answer that one, but I used it in Beta, and (IMHO) it's worth
whatever it
> costs.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
> Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 8:32 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus
>
>
> Emphasis on the last question - How much does it cost?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark Milke
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:09 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Remedy Developer Plus
>
> Hi!
>
> Is there a Demo Version of the Remedy Developer Plus? If yes, where
can
> I
> download it? Did someone use it already? Is it any good? How much does
> it cost?
>
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>

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**
Y'all posted some interesting comments and questions that really should be addressed:

Christopher S., I feel your pain. I too was a fan of MasterMigrator's licensing plan because it let you dynamically designate the source and destination server, from a single licensed administrative console. That was a far improvement over Remedy Migrator licensing that forced you to purchase "sticky" licenses for each Remedy server. However, licensing MasterARSuite the same way was -- to be blunt -- a pain in the rear because most customers had to purchase a separate MARS license for each developer. I'd suggest that Developer Plus licensing makes more sense and is actually more affordable. Consider a scenario where a Remedy shop has two Remedy servers (one for development/test, one for production) and five developers. With the old MARS licensing you licensed the developer, and that's potentially five MARS licenses or nearly $27,000; with Remedy Developer Plus you license the development/test server and provide tools to as many developers as you wish, so that's one license for less than $9,000. What's not to like about that?

Garron, you got it right. Buy one Remedy Developer Plus license for your development server, and let all of your developers use it.

And Rick C's comments seem to be the norm. Remedy Developer Plus appears to offer more features and run better than MasterARSuite.

Rick W., be aware that Remedy Developer Plus is most definitely not a repackaged version of Application Explorer. As mentioned before, Remedy Developer Plus incorporates the best features from the MasterARSuite's MasterAnalyzer, MasterDocumentor and MasterNavigator components, along with selected features from Application Explorer. (MasterEditor's features were NOT included since macros were eliminated in AR System 5.x and they are no longer a recommended practice.) So essentially it's an updated version of MasterARSuite with Application Explorer as well, plus a few Migrator features. List price is $8,950, same as MasterARSuite Development Edition. Add-on licenses are half-price, or $4,475, also the same as MasterARSuite Development Edition.

So to summarize, that's:

- More features than MasterARSuite
- Same price as MasterARSuite
- Better licensing model than MasterARSuite

Also, please bear in mind:

- Remedy Developer Plus 6.0 requires the Remedy Administrator 6.0.1, Remedy Administrator patch 1345 (or later) and Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 1.4.2. Also, plan on using a screen resolution of 1024x768 or higher.

- Remedy Developer Plus 6.0 will work with AR System 5.1.2 servers. Just install Developer Plus 6.0 and Administrator 6.0.1 (with patch 1345 or later) in a separate directory from Administrator 5.1.2. And remember to avoid making changes to 5.1.2 forms and workflow using Developer Plus 6.0 or Administrator 6.0.1.

And finally, please remember:

- In conjunction with the release of Developer Plus, Remedy also announced that MasterARSuite is no longer available. Technical support will continue through March 31, 2005. The good news is that current owners of MasterARSuite (Development edition or Essentials edition) are eligible for a free upgrade to Developer Plus.

- Contrary to rumor, Migrator and MasterMigrator are not part of Developer Plus. However, like MasterARSuite, MasterMigrator Plus has also been discontinued and technical support will continue through March 31, 2005. Similarly, current owners of MasterMigrator Plus are eligible for a free upgrade to Remedy Migrator.

Did that answer everyone's questions?

-- Bing

Bradford Bingel ("Bing")
ITM3 California
http://www.itm3.com/
bing@itm3.com (email)
925-260-6394 (mobile)



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Westbrock
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:43 PM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
If what I have seen so far is correct the new Developer Plus is very similar to Application Explorer (which I used and enjoyed for many months). IMHO it isn't worth $9K however, unless there are a lot more features than what I saw in the AE beta.


-Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Cook [mailto:rcook@DENALIAI.COM]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:58 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
...and RDP works WAY more solidly than ITM ever did. Faster, doesn't crash, more powerful, etc. It's like the difference between running a VB script and a C++ program in speed. If you willingly even considered paying the money for ITM, pay it for RDP.

Rick



From: Christie, Garron
Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 10:04 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


It is for individual developers, but now you only have to pay one arm and a
leg instead of an arm and a leg from each developer. I don't know if you
took a look at Master ARSuite from IT Masters, but if you think Remedy is
proud of Developer Plus, you should have seen how proud IT Masters was of
their software:-)

Garron Christie

-----Original Message-----
From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
[mailto:William.H.Duchene@USPS.GOV]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:50 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


Maybe I am reading too much into things these days, but with a name like
"Developer Plus" one may be lead to conclude that the application was
designed for - let me think hard - individual developers to take advantage
of.

My bad.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On Behalf
Of Joe DeSouza
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:31 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus

I second that... shouldnt think it will cost an arm and leg though, they
should price it nicely if they want a good mileage on it...

Joe

--- Rick Cook wrote:

> Can't answer that one, but I used it in Beta, and (IMHO) it's worth
whatever it
> costs.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
> Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 8:32 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus
>
>
> Emphasis on the last question - How much does it cost?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark Milke
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:09 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Remedy Developer Plus
>
> Hi!
>
> Is there a Demo Version of the Remedy Developer Plus? If yes, where
can
> I
> download it? Did someone use it already? Is it any good? How much does
> it cost?
>
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>

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Unfortunately it wasn't designed that way, the license that you get is associated with
the ARS server name so cannot be 'transported' out if you are an independent developer
when you finish work at a site and go to the next...

Joe

--- "Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor" wrote:

> Maybe I am reading too much into things these days, but with a name like
> "Developer Plus" one may be lead to conclude that the application was
> designed for - let me think hard - individual developers to take
> advantage of.
>
> My bad.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On
> Behalf Of Joe DeSouza
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:31 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus
>
> I second that... shouldnt think it will cost an arm and leg though, they
> should price
> it nicely if they want a good mileage on it...
>
> Joe
>
> --- Rick Cook wrote:
>
> > Can't answer that one, but I used it in Beta, and (IMHO) it's worth
> whatever it
> > costs.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
> > Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 8:32 AM
> > To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> > Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus
> >
> >
> > Emphasis on the last question - How much does it cost?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On
> > Behalf Of Mark Milke
> > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:09 AM
> > To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> > Subject: Remedy Developer Plus
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Is there a Demo Version of the Remedy Developer Plus? If yes, where
> can
> > I
> > download it? Did someone use it already? Is it any good? How much does
> > it
> > cost?
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> > Mark
> >
> >
>
> >
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As far I understood at RUG2004, RDP forces you to work online doing DB
Scans for each transaction.
MARS was offline during navigation: it was working on a def file ... It was
very safe not working online for application navigation.

So I don't think it's a good idea having several developpers in the same
time connected to the same ARS server, during business hours...I can see
some performance issues. Of Course the licensing policy allows you to do
that, but what about performances?

It worries me, I confess.

Ilidio
SILOGIS



Bradford Bingel ecrit:
...
>with Remedy Developer Plus you license
> the development/test server and provide tools to as many developers as you
> wish, so that's one license for less than $9,000. What's not to like about
> that?
>

**
It's true that you're hitting an on-line system, but consider this:

1) Rather than the hours of distributed processing that MARS took to document an ITSM product (remember having to do one doc at a time due to RAM demands?), I used RDP to create Word docs for the entire ITSM 5.6 Suite (HD, CM, AM, SLA, and Approval) in ONE pass in 15 minutes. On my laptop. I'd still do that in non-peak times, but we're not talking about a high impact there.
2) On-line, real-time data is what you want when using the Analyzer to look at a system or process. It only takes a minute or two to load the application being worked on, so I don't see a negative here, either.

RDP works very efficiently - that is the thing that most impresses me about this product.

Rick



From: Ilidio da Silva
Sent: Tue 8/31/2004 7:23 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


As far I understood at RUG2004, RDP forces you to work online doing DB
Scans for each transaction.
MARS was offline during navigation: it was working on a def file ... It was
very safe not working online for application navigation.

So I don't think it's a good idea having several developpers in the same
time connected to the same ARS server, during business hours...I can see
some performance issues. Of Course the licensing policy allows you to do
that, but what about performances?

It worries me, I confess.

Ilidio
SILOGIS



Bradford Bingel crit:
...
>with Remedy Developer Plus you license
> the development/test server and provide tools to as many developers as you
> wish, so that's one license for less than $9,000. What's not to like about
> that?
>





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Funny, I believe I paid 9k for migrator, I am still paying 1500 in support
1500 @ 15% , Orig cost 9.9k..

What did master migrator originally cost ?



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Bradford Bingel
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:51 PM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
Y'all posted some interesting comments and questions that really should be addressed:

Christopher S., I feel your pain. I too was a fan of MasterMigrator's licensing plan because it let you dynamically designate the source and destination server, from a single licensed administrative console. That was a far improvement over Remedy Migrator licensing that forced you to purchase "sticky" licenses for each Remedy server. However, licensing MasterARSuite the same way was -- to be blunt -- a pain in the rear because most customers had to purchase a separate MARS license for each developer. I'd suggest that Developer Plus licensing makes more sense and is actually more affordable. Consider a scenario where a Remedy shop has two Remedy servers (one for development/test, one for production) and five developers. With the old MARS licensing you licensed the developer, and that's potentially five MARS licenses or nearly $27,000; with Remedy Developer Plus you license the development/test server and provide tools to as many developers as you wish, so that's one license for less than $9,000. What's not to like about that?

Garron, you got it right. Buy one Remedy Developer Plus license for your development server, and let all of your developers use it.

And Rick C's comments seem to be the norm. Remedy Developer Plus appears to offer more features and run better than MasterARSuite.

Rick W., be aware that Remedy Developer Plus is most definitely not a repackaged version of Application Explorer. As mentioned before, Remedy Developer Plus incorporates the best features from the MasterARSuite's MasterAnalyzer, MasterDocumentor and MasterNavigator components, along with selected features from Application Explorer. (MasterEditor's features were NOT included since macros were eliminated in AR System 5.x and they are no longer a recommended practice.) So essentially it's an updated version of MasterARSuite with Application Explorer as well, plus a few Migrator features. List price is $8,950, same as MasterARSuite Development Edition. Add-on licenses are half-price, or $4,475, also the same as MasterARSuite Development Edition.

So to summarize, that's:

- More features than MasterARSuite
- Same price as MasterARSuite
- Better licensing model than MasterARSuite

Also, please bear in mind:

- Remedy Developer Plus 6.0 requires the Remedy Administrator 6.0.1, Remedy Administrator patch 1345 (or later) and Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 1.4.2. Also, plan on using a screen resolution of 1024x768 or higher.

- Remedy Developer Plus 6.0 will work with AR System 5.1.2 servers. Just install Developer Plus 6.0 and Administrator 6.0.1 (with patch 1345 or later) in a separate directory from Administrator 5.1.2. And remember to avoid making changes to 5.1.2 forms and workflow using Developer Plus 6.0 or Administrator 6.0.1.

And finally, please remember:

- In conjunction with the release of Developer Plus, Remedy also announced that MasterARSuite is no longer available. Technical support will continue through March 31, 2005. The good news is that current owners of MasterARSuite (Development edition or Essentials edition) are eligible for a free upgrade to Developer Plus.

- Contrary to rumor, Migrator and MasterMigrator are not part of Developer Plus. However, like MasterARSuite, MasterMigrator Plus has also been discontinued and technical support will continue through March 31, 2005. Similarly, current owners of MasterMigrator Plus are eligible for a free upgrade to Remedy Migrator.

Did that answer everyone's questions?

-- Bing

Bradford Bingel ("Bing")
ITM3 California
http://www.itm3.com/
bing@itm3.com (email)
925-260-6394 (mobile)



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Westbrock
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:43 PM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
If what I have seen so far is correct the new Developer Plus is very similar to Application Explorer (which I used and enjoyed for many months). IMHO it isn't worth $9K however, unless there are a lot more features than what I saw in the AE beta.


-Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Cook [mailto:rcook@DENALIAI.COM]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:58 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


**
...and RDP works WAY more solidly than ITM ever did. Faster, doesn't crash, more powerful, etc. It's like the difference between running a VB script and a C++ program in speed. If you willingly even considered paying the money for ITM, pay it for RDP.

Rick



From: Christie, Garron
Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 10:04 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


It is for individual developers, but now you only have to pay one arm and a
leg instead of an arm and a leg from each developer. I don't know if you
took a look at Master ARSuite from IT Masters, but if you think Remedy is
proud of Developer Plus, you should have seen how proud IT Masters was of
their software:-)

Garron Christie

-----Original Message-----
From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
[mailto:William.H.Duchene@USPS.GOV]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:50 AM
To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus


Maybe I am reading too much into things these days, but with a name like
"Developer Plus" one may be lead to conclude that the application was
designed for - let me think hard - individual developers to take advantage
of.

My bad.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On Behalf
Of Joe DeSouza
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:31 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus

I second that... shouldnt think it will cost an arm and leg though, they
should price it nicely if they want a good mileage on it...

Joe

--- Rick Cook wrote:

> Can't answer that one, but I used it in Beta, and (IMHO) it's worth
whatever it
> costs.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> From: Duchene, William H - Eagan, MN - Contractor
> Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 8:32 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: Remedy Developer Plus
>
>
> Emphasis on the last question - How much does it cost?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-arslist@arslist.org [mailto:owner-arslist@arslist.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark Milke
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:09 AM
> To: ARSLIST@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Remedy Developer Plus
>
> Hi!
>
> Is there a Demo Version of the Remedy Developer Plus? If yes, where
can
> I
> download it? Did someone use it already? Is it any good? How much does
> it cost?
>
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>

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