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Listers:

Just wanted to get my vote in early for the Fall RUG meeting,
I would like to do Disneyland again. Since I am dreaming, how
about some other suggestions?

Regards...Gidd


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> Just wanted to get my vote in early for the Fall RUG meeting,
> I would like to do Disneyland again. Since I am dreaming, how
> about some other suggestions?

Since the only way I'll get to go is if it's close, and because the city
needs our business - I vote for New York New York. :-)

**

There is a New Your New York in Vegas ;)


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> Just wanted to get my vote in early for the Fall RUG meeting,
> I would like to do Disneyland again. Since I am dreaming, how
> about some other suggestions?

Since the only way I'll get to go is if it's close, and because the city
needs our business - I vote for New York New York. :-)



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good point... but seeing the travel budget, I'd have to say the Windy City
for us... Chicago... :-) Be nice to see Las Vegas, tho!

Matt

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> I would like to do Disneyland again. Since I am dreaming, how
> about some other suggestions?

Since the only way I'll get to go is if it's close, and because the city
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> Just wanted to get my vote in early for the Fall RUG meeting,
> I would like to do Disneyland again. Since I am dreaming, how
> about some other suggestions?

Since the only way I'll get to go is if it's close, and because the city
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I think the only way I'll get to go is if it's in my own city :-)

Vancouver BC, Canada

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> I would like to do Disneyland again. Since I am dreaming, how
> about some other suggestions?

Since the only way I'll get to go is if it's close, and because the city
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Shannon,

Sure, that's cool and throw in some Yankees tickets !
Ok by me.

Regards...Gidd

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I wish..
Hey .. Wonder if they would consider the following
http://www.dci.com/events/helpdesk/ conference Oct 1-3 2002..
With Remedy Side to Follow on the 4th and 5th. Wow .. I would like to see
that..
Mixed in .. They could stick around and see Remedy Products we could get
their earlier..
And see their stuff..

Cool

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I think the only way I'll get to go is if it's in my own city :-)

Vancouver BC, Canada

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NYC works for me, I live in Manhattan

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You have my vote for a bay area location.



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Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 03:37
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Subject: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)



Let’s go back to start.



The best RUG’s ever have been those in the early days of Remedy where the event was close to Mountain View, CA. Those who attended know what I am talking about. Most of Remedy’s employees attended everyone from Engineering, Professional Services and Education. It was a good mix of Partners, ARS users/administrators.



Those event was a success and contributed to Remedy’s overall success due to “the soul of ARS”, even the doorman did know that ARS was about when the event was over.



Personally I remember several late nights discussing ARS bits and paces to past midnight where the hotel cleaning staff kicked us out.



If we are discussing the next big RUG event, lets go back to the basic where it all started.

- The event is close to Mountain View, CA.

- All Remedy employees most have a very good excuse not to attend.



If the next RUG follows these lines, we would definitely bring Remedy back.



All the best

Terje Moglestue

terje@moglestue.com

+44 7740909985

London, UK.





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Sent: 03 July 2002 10:56
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Subject: Re: OT:Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)



In the past Remedy selected the site. In the early years when they had limited field offices it was always in the bay area. The last several years before Perdition (ops I don’t think I spelled the San Diego Companies name correctly) they had a small group of frequent attendees as an advisory committee vote on a range of sites and other issues. It will be interesting to see how the new organization handles it. Perdition had a much different approach to interacting with their customers and had already scheduled their 2003 meeting in San Diego.



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Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 02:43
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So who really decides where the RUG meetings are to be held??? Does Remedy have a say in it? How are the meetings structured? Are they separate for the US market and separate for the European and Asian market? Do these meetings ever get to come to Asia? I've heard of them happening in Europe, but none in Asia so far. Any particular reason why it isn't?



Joe DeSouza

Let’s go back to start.

The best RUG’s ever have been those in the early days of Remedy where the event was close to Mountain View, CA. Those who attended know what I am talking about. Most of Remedy’s employees attended everyone from Engineering, Professional Services and Education. It was a good mix of Partners, ARS users/administrators.

Those event was a success and contributed to Remedy’s overall success due to “the soul of ARS”, even the doorman did know that ARS was about when the event was over.

Personally I remember several late nights discussing ARS bits and paces to past midnight where the hotel cleaning staff kicked us out.

If we are discussing the next big RUG event, lets go back to the basic where it all started.
- The event is close to Mountain View, CA.
- All Remedy employees most have a very good excuse not to attend.

If the next RUG follows these lines, we would definitely bring Remedy back.

All the best
Terje Moglestue
terje@moglestue.com
+44 7740909985
London, UK.


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 03 July 2002 10:56
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: OT:Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)

In the past Remedy selected the site. In the early years when they had limited field offices it was always in the bay area. The last several years before Perdition (ops I don’t think I spelled the San Diego Companies name correctly) they had a small group of frequent attendees as an advisory committee vote on a range of sites and other issues. It will be interesting to see how the new organization handles it. Perdition had a much different approach to interacting with their customers and had already scheduled their 2003 meeting in San Diego.

Ed Reynolds
Vice President QMX SUPPORT SERVICES INC.
Home/Office: 818-884-4013
Cell: 818-421-8946
Home FAX: 818-884-2025
E-Mail: EReynolds@QMXS.com

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Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 02:43
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: OT:Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)

So who really decides where the RUG meetings are to be held??? Does Remedy have a say in it? How are the meetings structured? Are they separate for the US market and separate for the European and Asian market? Do these meetings ever get to come to Asia? I've heard of them happening in Europe, but none in Asia so far. Any particular reason why it isn't?

Joe DeSouza

Thank you Ed for your information...

In my general opinion, I do not think a place has much of a significance into the success of a conference such as this, but those attending such meetings could make all the difference there is to make - users, developers, potential buyers, etc. I'm not saying that it would be a guaranteed success if held in Utopia or some place like that, but like every other event, in my opinion there should be a venue - rotation to places with a potential for the growth of this product and a small user base to make an event such as this a global entity.

There exists a good market for Remedy in some of the non-US, non-Europe regions and a meeting such as this might be very beneficial to users, customers and in a marketing viewpoint, prospects in terms of new customers, coming from these regions. I have so far yet to hear of an organization such as the RUG conference in the Asian market when there is a decent Remedy user base and a potential user base existing here. Some of the key regions are places like Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan, UAE (Dubai), Saudi Arabia, India, China, etc...

Asia has yet to see Remedy investing their time and resources in this region (at least their efforts in this region are quite not as much noticeable as it is in regions like the US and Europe) and in my opinion, it would pay them off nicely if they do invest a little more in Asia. I do agree, most of the Asian market space would be quite challenging given the smaller economies here, but the good sign is most of these economies are growing rather rapidly.

With the general economic slowdown in most parts of the world, it isn't going to be a lot more different here in Asia than what it is in the West, and perhaps there would be no better time than this to experiment in this market segment.

I'm not suggesting this event to be taken away from US, but be repeated or co-held in some places in Asia too for those residing here to easily attend. It is virtually impossible for example as an Indian for me to source a VISA to US and to afford the stay and the cost of attending such seminars on my own expense as an individual (not representing the company I work for) if I choose to. I wonder how many other Asians here on the list or other Remedy users here, who would have loved to attend the RUG but cannot because of geographic constraints....

In my opinion there does exist a very strong market for Remedy in much of the Asian sub-continent, what it is missing is a showcase event such as the RUG to propagate the concept. It does need the push here, a recognition, a product awareness basically, that has long been missing. The question is can Remedy really afford to ignore this market space entirely.

On a lighter note, my vote for the next conference... Goa in India... lovely golden beaches and a good place to work out a nice tan on your Saturdays and Sunday mornings... Very scenic place especially just after the rains... and its south of Bombay and north of Bangalore and not too far from the west of Hydrabad as well... If you've heard of the potential business in these three places I need not say more :)

My 2 cents...

Joe DeSouza,
CyberMAK Information Systems
Kuwait.

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Date: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 04:42:53 PM
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Subject: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


Let’s go back to start.

The best RUG’s ever have been those in the early days of Remedy where the event was close to Mountain View, CA. Those who attended know what I am talking about. Most of Remedy’s employees attended everyone from Engineering, Professional Services and Education. It was a good mix of Partners, ARS users/administrators.

Those event was a success and contributed to Remedy’s overall success due to “the soul of ARS”, even the doorman did know that ARS was about when the event was over.

Personally I remember several late nights discussing ARS bits and paces to past midnight where the hotel cleaning staff kicked us out.

If we are discussing the next big RUG event, lets go back to the basic where it all started.

- The event is close to Mountain View, CA.

- All Remedy employees most have a very good excuse not to attend.

If the next RUG follows these lines, we would definitely bring Remedy back.

All the best

Terje Moglestue

terje@moglestue.com

+44 7740909985

London, UK.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 03 July 2002 10:56
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: OT:Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)

In the past Remedy selected the site. In the early years when they had limited field offices it was always in the bay area. The last several years before Perdition (ops I don’t think I spelled the San Diego Companies name correctly) they had a small group of frequent attendees as an advisory committee vote on a range of sites and other issues. It will be interesting to see how the new organization handles it. Perdition had a much different approach to interacting with their customers and had already scheduled their 2003 meeting in San Diego.

Ed Reynolds

Vice President QMX SUPPORT SERVICES INC.

Home/Office: 818-884-4013

Cell: 818-421-8946

Home FAX: 818-884-2025

E-Mail: EReynolds@QMXS.com

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Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 02:43
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: OT:Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)

So who really decides where the RUG meetings are to be held??? Does Remedy have a say in it? How are the meetings structured? Are they separate for the US market and separate for the European and Asian market? Do these meetings ever get to come to Asia? I've heard of them happening in Europe, but none in Asia so far. Any particular reason why it isn't?

Joe DeSouza

Now that's a locale you can sink your teeth into!

Warren



>>> sdavis@BCGI.NET 7/2/2002 4:27:01 PM >>>
**

> Just wanted to get my vote in early for the Fall RUG meeting,
> I would like to do Disneyland again. Since I am dreaming, how
> about some other suggestions?

Since the only way I'll get to go is if it's close, and because the city
needs our business - I vote for New York New York. :-)

**

The only way I'll get to go is if it's in my city - New Orleans.

Besides, it's not that muggy and steaming in fall here, Mardi Gras is a few
months away, and it's not that crowded on Bourbon Street.

Eric

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:27:01 -0400, Shannon Davis wrote:

>**
>
>> Just wanted to get my vote in early for the Fall RUG meeting,
>> I would like to do Disneyland again. Since I am dreaming, how
>> about some other suggestions?
>

**

Can you give some historical information about the past RUG(s)held?
Specifically, how many days are usually scheduled? Is there a registration
fee for the large group RUG? If so, how much has it been in the past?

We are currently putting in our budget requests for 2003 so, your
assistance is appreciated.

**

Tha information would be useful.

I have seen the RUG come and go for the past 5 years or so and I have never
managed to attend a single one (although I did get some kind of award in
1998 for having the longest email address!)

I am considering sponsoring myself this year and feel it is probably the
right time to go considering everything that has happened. I will be on a
shoestring, bread and water, hitch-hiking, backpackers budget (anyone fancy
sharing a room ;))

Is there a poor mans entrance fee? I can wash dishes, babysit, and some say
I can even develop Remedy applications.

Desperate to go.

Mike.

--------------------------------------------
Michael Worts
Remedy Consultant
michael.worts@ntl.com
--------------------------------------------
Remedy v4.52 Patch 1017
RS/6000 - AIX 4.3
Oracle 8.1.6
--------------------------------------------

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Sent: 09 July 2002 16:24
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Can you give some historical information about the past RUG(s)held?
Specifically, how many days are usually scheduled? Is there a registration
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So how long does it take to drive from Dallas to San Francisco? Shoestring
budget, too. Never worked for a company willing to pay. Maybe we can have
a caravan or a fun trip where we pick up Remedy Hitchhiker's on the way. We
can start with all the friends of TRUG and meet in Dallas (Claire,
Christopher S.?)

Maybe my old Remedy friends (Mike P. and Linda G.) in the bay area will put
me up for a small fee.

Let's see:

Cost of:
Rental Van
Motels
Gas
Oil Changes
Therapy

Desperate to go to my first RUG, Rick Cook's response to Michael really
makes me want to go no. Can some of the Texan's pipe in and tell me whether
RUG is much different than TRUG and worth the $1000+ cost as opposed to
attending TRUG for free?

Chelle
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Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:45 AM
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Tha information would be useful.

I have seen the RUG come and go for the past 5 years or so and I have never
managed to attend a single one (although I did get some kind of award in
1998 for having the longest email address!)

I am considering sponsoring myself this year and feel it is probably the
right time to go considering everything that has happened. I will be on a
shoestring, bread and water, hitch-hiking, backpackers budget (anyone fancy
sharing a room ;))

Is there a poor mans entrance fee? I can wash dishes, babysit, and some say
I can even develop Remedy applications.

Desperate to go.

Mike.

--------------------------------------------
Michael Worts
Remedy Consultant
michael.worts@ntl.com
--------------------------------------------
Remedy v4.52 Patch 1017
RS/6000 - AIX 4.3
Oracle 8.1.6
--------------------------------------------

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Sent: 09 July 2002 16:24
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: OT:Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


**

Can you give some historical information about the past RUG(s)held?
Specifically, how many days are usually scheduled? Is there a registration
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Since it is such an educational thing, maybe you could use some sort of education/training credit for the conference fee?

Figure a two-day drive from Texas to S.F.

Rick

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Sent: Tue 7/9/2002 9:43 AM
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Cc:
Subject: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)

**

So how long does it take to drive from Dallas to San Francisco? Shoestring
budget, too. Never worked for a company willing to pay. Maybe we can have
a caravan or a fun trip where we pick up Remedy Hitchhiker's on the way. We
can start with all the friends of TRUG and meet in Dallas (Claire,
Christopher S.?)

Maybe my old Remedy friends (Mike P. and Linda G.) in the bay area will put
me up for a small fee.

Let's see:

Cost of:
Rental Van
Motels
Gas
Oil Changes
Therapy

Desperate to go to my first RUG, Rick Cook's response to Michael really
makes me want to go no. Can some of the Texan's pipe in and tell me whether
RUG is much different than TRUG and worth the $1000+ cost as opposed to
attending TRUG for free?

Chelle
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Worts [mailto:Michael.Worts@NTL.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:45 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)

**

Tha information would be useful.

I have seen the RUG come and go for the past 5 years or so and I have never
managed to attend a single one (although I did get some kind of award in
1998 for having the longest email address!)

I am considering sponsoring myself this year and feel it is probably the
right time to go considering everything that has happened. I will be on a
shoestring, bread and water, hitch-hiking, backpackers budget (anyone fancy
sharing a room ;))

Is there a poor mans entrance fee? I can wash dishes, babysit, and some say
I can even develop Remedy applications.

Desperate to go.

Mike.

--------------------------------------------
Michael Worts
Remedy Consultant
michael.worts@ntl.com
--------------------------------------------
Remedy v4.52 Patch 1017
RS/6000 - AIX 4.3
Oracle 8.1.6
--------------------------------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: Myrick, Sharon M. [mailto:smmyrick@FEDINS.COM]
Sent: 09 July 2002 16:24
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: OT:Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


**

Can you give some historical information about the past RUG(s)held?
Specifically, how many days are usually scheduled? Is there a registration
fee for the large group RUG? If so, how much has it been in the past?

We are currently putting in our budget requests for 2003 so, your
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I went to RUG in 1998 and 2000, and each time I signed up for three of the pre-conference tutorials (an extra day and a half) which were worth the trip even without the subsequent conference sessions, which were themselves excellent for the most part. If they continue the tutorials (usually were done by the Remedy Education staff) as they have in the past, it's like getting the core information from a three-day course in just half a day - WELL worth the additional fees. The vendor's fair was also very useful. It's not really fair to compare it with TRUG since sessions and networking went on into each evening (or the next morning) when back here in Texas we're driving up to 5 hours in each direction on the one day that TRUG is held. TRUG has a single-track agenda, whereas RUG usually has three or four separate tracks to choose from and has even re-presented the most popular (or overcrowded) sessions on later days or in the evening. I would not miss it if I had the chance to go - I missed 1999 and 2001 due to Philmont backpacking treks with my Boy Scout Troop - about the only thing I can think of that beats a RUG hands-down. If the new RUG is in the Fall, I won't have that problem - just a battle for travel money. You really SHOULD go if you can, and make the most of the trip by tacking on tutorials - you probably can do it by arriving in the morning before the first tutorial and add only one night to your lodging.

Christopher Strauss, MSLS
Remedy Database Administrator
University of North Texas Computing Center
http://remedy.unt.edu/helpdesk/

-----Original Message-----
From: Michelle Lucero [mailto:Michelle.Lucero@SOFTWARESPECTRUM.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:43 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


**

So how long does it take to drive from Dallas to San Francisco? Shoestring budget, too. Never worked for a company willing to pay. Maybe we can have a caravan or a fun trip where we pick up Remedy Hitchhiker's on the way. We can start with all the friends of TRUG and meet in Dallas (Claire, Christopher S.?)

Maybe my old Remedy friends (Mike P. and Linda G.) in the bay area will put me up for a small fee.

Let's see:

Cost of:
Rental Van
Motels
Gas
Oil Changes
Therapy

Desperate to go to my first RUG, Rick Cook's response to Michael really makes me want to go no. Can some of the Texan's pipe in and tell me whether RUG is much different than TRUG and worth the $1000+ cost as opposed to attending TRUG for free?

Chelle

**

Michelle,

I'm in Houston. I went to the one in 2001 in Orlando. Once the conference
started, I never left the hotel. There was too much of interest going on to
even want to the visit the Disney parks during that time. I got loads of
good information on what can be done with the AR System and how to do it! I
would love to go again, but it isn't in our budget for next year.


Betty Amble




-----Original Message-----
From: Michelle Lucero [mailto:Michelle.Lucero@SOFTWARESPECTRUM.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:43 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


**

So how long does it take to drive from Dallas to San Francisco? Shoestring
budget, too. Never worked for a company willing to pay. Maybe we can have
a caravan or a fun trip where we pick up Remedy Hitchhiker's on the way. We
can start with all the friends of TRUG and meet in Dallas (Claire,
Christopher S.?)

Maybe my old Remedy friends (Mike P. and Linda G.) in the bay area will put
me up for a small fee.

Let's see:

Cost of:
Rental Van
Motels
Gas
Oil Changes
Therapy

Desperate to go to my first RUG, Rick Cook's response to Michael really
makes me want to go no. Can some of the Texan's pipe in and tell me whether
RUG is much different than TRUG and worth the $1000+ cost as opposed to
attending TRUG for free?

Chelle
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Worts [mailto:Michael.Worts@NTL.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:45 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)

**

Tha information would be useful.

I have seen the RUG come and go for the past 5 years or so and I have never
managed to attend a single one (although I did get some kind of award in
1998 for having the longest email address!)

I am considering sponsoring myself this year and feel it is probably the
right time to go considering everything that has happened. I will be on a
shoestring, bread and water, hitch-hiking, backpackers budget (anyone fancy
sharing a room ;))

Is there a poor mans entrance fee? I can wash dishes, babysit, and some say
I can even develop Remedy applications.

Desperate to go.

Mike.

--------------------------------------------
Michael Worts
Remedy Consultant
michael.worts@ntl.com
--------------------------------------------
Remedy v4.52 Patch 1017
RS/6000 - AIX 4.3
Oracle 8.1.6
--------------------------------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: Myrick, Sharon M. [mailto:smmyrick@FEDINS.COM]
Sent: 09 July 2002 16:24
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: OT:Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


**

Can you give some historical information about the past RUG(s)held?
Specifically, how many days are usually scheduled? Is there a registration
fee for the large group RUG? If so, how much has it been in the past?

We are currently putting in our budget requests for 2003 so, your
assistance is appreciated.



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If the RUG also shall be of interest for ars'ers outside USA, a agree that
to total price for the conference has to go down a bit, Conferencecost,
tickets, hotell, all together = a lot of money, and many Companies today has
hard to give Green Light, a bit sad, because the RUG gives a lot for us ars
people. I was in Orlando too, but 'to expensive' was the answer I got when I
asked this year. The standard of the accomodation is not an important thing,
be to be able to participate is...

-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Fran: Amble, Betty G. [mailto:bgamble@TEXASCHILDRENSHOSPITAL.ORG]
Skickat: 2002-07-09 19:55
Till: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Amne: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


**

Michelle,

I'm in Houston. I went to the one in 2001 in Orlando. Once the conference
started, I never left the hotel. There was too much of interest going on to
even want to the visit the Disney parks during that time. I got loads of
good information on what can be done with the AR System and how to do it! I
would love to go again, but it isn't in our budget for next year.


Betty Amble




-----Original Message-----
From: Michelle Lucero [mailto:Michelle.Lucero@SOFTWARESPECTRUM.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:43 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


**

So how long does it take to drive from Dallas to San Francisco? Shoestring
budget, too. Never worked for a company willing to pay. Maybe we can have
a caravan or a fun trip where we pick up Remedy Hitchhiker's on the way. We
can start with all the friends of TRUG and meet in Dallas (Claire,
Christopher S.?)

Maybe my old Remedy friends (Mike P. and Linda G.) in the bay area will put
me up for a small fee.

Let's see:

Cost of:
Rental Van
Motels
Gas
Oil Changes
Therapy

Desperate to go to my first RUG, Rick Cook's response to Michael really
makes me want to go no. Can some of the Texan's pipe in and tell me whether
RUG is much different than TRUG and worth the $1000+ cost as opposed to
attending TRUG for free?

Chelle
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Worts [mailto:Michael.Worts@NTL.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:45 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)

**

Tha information would be useful.

I have seen the RUG come and go for the past 5 years or so and I have never
managed to attend a single one (although I did get some kind of award in
1998 for having the longest email address!)

I am considering sponsoring myself this year and feel it is probably the
right time to go considering everything that has happened. I will be on a
shoestring, bread and water, hitch-hiking, backpackers budget (anyone fancy
sharing a room ;))

Is there a poor mans entrance fee? I can wash dishes, babysit, and some say
I can even develop Remedy applications.

Desperate to go.

Mike.

--------------------------------------------
Michael Worts
Remedy Consultant
michael.worts@ntl.com
--------------------------------------------
Remedy v4.52 Patch 1017
RS/6000 - AIX 4.3
Oracle 8.1.6
--------------------------------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: Myrick, Sharon M. [mailto:smmyrick@FEDINS.COM]
Sent: 09 July 2002 16:24
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: OT:Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


**

Can you give some historical information about the past RUG(s)held?
Specifically, how many days are usually scheduled? Is there a registration
fee for the large group RUG? If so, how much has it been in the past?

We are currently putting in our budget requests for 2003 so, your
assistance is appreciated.



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I have to agree on this point, being from outside the US. Having to deal
with the exchange rate on top of everything is just to much.

If there where some international mini-RUG's (Since ARS is touted as such an
international product) might be a little more fathomable to some of us.

If it where in Canada, you could leverage your american dollar to your
advantage.

-----Original Message-----
From: lars.j.pettersson@VATTENFALL.COM
[mailto:lars.j.pettersson@VATTENFALL.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:58 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: SV: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


**

If the RUG also shall be of interest for ars'ers outside USA, a agree that
to total price for the conference has to go down a bit, Conferencecost,
tickets, hotell, all together = a lot of money, and many Companies today has
hard to give Green Light, a bit sad, because the RUG gives a lot for us ars
people. I was in Orlando too, but 'to expensive' was the answer I got when I
asked this year. The standard of the accomodation is not an important thing,
be to be able to participate is...

-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Fran: Amble, Betty G. [mailto:bgamble@TEXASCHILDRENSHOSPITAL.ORG]
Skickat: 2002-07-09 19:55
Till: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Amne: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


**

Michelle,

I'm in Houston. I went to the one in 2001 in Orlando. Once the conference
started, I never left the hotel. There was too much of interest going on to
even want to the visit the Disney parks during that time. I got loads of
good information on what can be done with the AR System and how to do it! I
would love to go again, but it isn't in our budget for next year.


Betty Amble




-----Original Message-----
From: Michelle Lucero [mailto:Michelle.Lucero@SOFTWARESPECTRUM.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:43 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


**

So how long does it take to drive from Dallas to San Francisco? Shoestring
budget, too. Never worked for a company willing to pay. Maybe we can have
a caravan or a fun trip where we pick up Remedy Hitchhiker's on the way. We
can start with all the friends of TRUG and meet in Dallas (Claire,
Christopher S.?)

Maybe my old Remedy friends (Mike P. and Linda G.) in the bay area will put
me up for a small fee.

Let's see:

Cost of:
Rental Van
Motels
Gas
Oil Changes
Therapy

Desperate to go to my first RUG, Rick Cook's response to Michael really
makes me want to go no. Can some of the Texan's pipe in and tell me whether
RUG is much different than TRUG and worth the $1000+ cost as opposed to
attending TRUG for free?

Chelle
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Worts [mailto:Michael.Worts@NTL.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:45 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)

**

Tha information would be useful.

I have seen the RUG come and go for the past 5 years or so and I have never
managed to attend a single one (although I did get some kind of award in
1998 for having the longest email address!)

I am considering sponsoring myself this year and feel it is probably the
right time to go considering everything that has happened. I will be on a
shoestring, bread and water, hitch-hiking, backpackers budget (anyone fancy
sharing a room ;))

Is there a poor mans entrance fee? I can wash dishes, babysit, and some say
I can even develop Remedy applications.

Desperate to go.

Mike.

--------------------------------------------
Michael Worts
Remedy Consultant
michael.worts@ntl.com
--------------------------------------------
Remedy v4.52 Patch 1017
RS/6000 - AIX 4.3
Oracle 8.1.6
--------------------------------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: Myrick, Sharon M. [mailto:smmyrick@FEDINS.COM]
Sent: 09 July 2002 16:24
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: OT:Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


**

Can you give some historical information about the past RUG(s)held?
Specifically, how many days are usually scheduled? Is there a registration
fee for the large group RUG? If so, how much has it been in the past?

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Sorry, guys and gals, but you're beating a dead horse if you think RUG will be anywhere but the San Francisco area. RUG will most likely be there because that's where the company and its people are.

I believe they do (or did before the Darkness came over them) have a conference in Asia and Europe, too, for those of you who live there.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: Den Fong [mailto:den.fong@AMHB.AB.CA]
Sent: Tue 7/9/2002 1:55 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)

**

I have to agree on this point, being from outside the US. Having to deal
with the exchange rate on top of everything is just to much.

If there where some international mini-RUG's (Since ARS is touted as such an
international product) might be a little more fathomable to some of us.

If it where in Canada, you could leverage your american dollar to your
advantage.

-----Original Message-----
From: lars.j.pettersson@VATTENFALL.COM
[mailto:lars.j.pettersson@VATTENFALL.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:58 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: SV: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


**

If the RUG also shall be of interest for ars'ers outside USA, a agree that
to total price for the conference has to go down a bit, Conferencecost,
tickets, hotell, all together = a lot of money, and many Companies today has
hard to give Green Light, a bit sad, because the RUG gives a lot for us ars
people. I was in Orlando too, but 'to expensive' was the answer I got when I
asked this year. The standard of the accomodation is not an important thing,
be to be able to participate is...

-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Fran: Amble, Betty G. [mailto:bgamble@TEXASCHILDRENSHOSPITAL.ORG]
Skickat: 2002-07-09 19:55
Till: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Amne: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


**

Michelle,

I'm in Houston. I went to the one in 2001 in Orlando. Once the conference
started, I never left the hotel. There was too much of interest going on to
even want to the visit the Disney parks during that time. I got loads of
good information on what can be done with the AR System and how to do it! I
would love to go again, but it isn't in our budget for next year.


Betty Amble




-----Original Message-----
From: Michelle Lucero [mailto:Michelle.Lucero@SOFTWARESPECTRUM.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:43 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


**

So how long does it take to drive from Dallas to San Francisco? Shoestring
budget, too. Never worked for a company willing to pay. Maybe we can have
a caravan or a fun trip where we pick up Remedy Hitchhiker's on the way. We
can start with all the friends of TRUG and meet in Dallas (Claire,
Christopher S.?)

Maybe my old Remedy friends (Mike P. and Linda G.) in the bay area will put
me up for a small fee.

Let's see:

Cost of:
Rental Van
Motels
Gas
Oil Changes
Therapy

Desperate to go to my first RUG, Rick Cook's response to Michael really
makes me want to go no. Can some of the Texan's pipe in and tell me whether
RUG is much different than TRUG and worth the $1000+ cost as opposed to
attending TRUG for free?

Chelle
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Worts [mailto:Michael.Worts@NTL.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:45 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)

**

Tha information would be useful.

I have seen the RUG come and go for the past 5 years or so and I have never
managed to attend a single one (although I did get some kind of award in
1998 for having the longest email address!)

I am considering sponsoring myself this year and feel it is probably the
right time to go considering everything that has happened. I will be on a
shoestring, bread and water, hitch-hiking, backpackers budget (anyone fancy
sharing a room ;))

Is there a poor mans entrance fee? I can wash dishes, babysit, and some say
I can even develop Remedy applications.

Desperate to go.

Mike.

--------------------------------------------
Michael Worts
Remedy Consultant
michael.worts@ntl.com
--------------------------------------------
Remedy v4.52 Patch 1017
RS/6000 - AIX 4.3
Oracle 8.1.6
--------------------------------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: Myrick, Sharon M. [mailto:smmyrick@FEDINS.COM]
Sent: 09 July 2002 16:24
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: OT:Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


**

Can you give some historical information about the past RUG(s)held?
Specifically, how many days are usually scheduled? Is there a registration
fee for the large group RUG? If so, how much has it been in the past?

We are currently putting in our budget requests for 2003 so, your
assistance is appreciated.



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Ok. I have heard enough and for a group of "techies" I'm very
disappointed in your technical imaginations. :)

How about the idea of doing a big "webex" type session. So that
travel is not needed. (I know Remedy knows about this type of technology.
They have used it in their beta program to give dog and pony shows in the
past, and they have used it with Tech Support as well. :)


I know that past RUG's were put on CD and could be purchased after
the fact. How about we go "techie" and move RUG to a virtual location? Using
things like webex/placeware/chat rooms/listservs/Terminal servers/web
servers/etc... If it was completely canned ahead of time then I think most
of the social value would be lost, but if it could be done at a cheaper
rate... Maybe the value would still be there.


(If the "interactions" were electronic instead of "face to face" do you
think that much "value" would be lost"?)

Just a thought, but Remedy could possibly even make more money from
this format, and charge less. (They could potentially decrease their costs
[for employee travel/downtime and "convention hosting fees", etc...]. So any
money they bring in should easily cover the overhead of setting it up and
taking registrations. Imagine if they actually used the Mid-Tier for us to
register and pay for the "virtual convention". Oh, the technical
possibilities with a currency field. Opps... :)

I don't know what an average attendance is for RUG, but if only
every member of ARSList was to fork out say... $100 (x2000+ people) I would
bet that would cover the technical cost to setup and run something like what
I have in mind. Not to mention that at $100, the average company could
afford to send more than 1 or two people to 3 or 4 of these things/year and
still be "cheaper" than sending one persons to Disneyland for a week.

So I would say.. Make RUG happen twice a year, and make the
registration $200 per pop. That should bring in more people and offer more
opportunity to interact with the community. (Even think about the TZ
differences. A virtual RUG could be a 24x7 thing instead of a 8AM-1AM EST
thing.)


Hey, it is just a thought.

--
Carey Matthew Black

Solution = People + Process + Tools
Fast, Accurate, Cheap.... Pick two.

**

Matt,

Tut tut...I can't believe you would even suggest such a thing :)

Much (most?) of the value of RUG is the social interaction - and not just
the recreational, but the technical/professional. The break-out sessions and
seminars are good value. The product demos...depends. The Evening with the
'Gineers, casual discussions in hallways and BOF sessions, however, are
priceless.

Besides, a virtual Zandi could not possibly be as entertaining as the real
thing.

Let's keep it real - we can do the electronic get-togethers anytime (like
the ARS List isn't enough electronic interaction?) - but a RUG should be a
special event, IMHO.

$.02 :)

Chris Woyton

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM]On Behalf Of Black, Matt
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 2:38 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


**

Ok. I have heard enough and for a group of "techies" I'm very
disappointed in your technical imaginations. :)

How about the idea of doing a big "webex" type session. So that
travel is not needed. (I know Remedy knows about this type of technology.
They have used it in their beta program to give dog and pony shows in the
past, and they have used it with Tech Support as well. :)


I know that past RUG's were put on CD and could be purchased after
the fact. How about we go "techie" and move RUG to a virtual location? Using
things like webex/placeware/chat rooms/listservs/Terminal servers/web
servers/etc... If it was completely canned ahead of time then I think most
of the social value would be lost, but if it could be done at a cheaper
rate... Maybe the value would still be there.


(If the "interactions" were electronic instead of "face to face" do you
think that much "value" would be lost"?)

Just a thought, but Remedy could possibly even make more money from
this format, and charge less. (They could potentially decrease their costs
[for employee travel/downtime and "convention hosting fees", etc...]. So any
money they bring in should easily cover the overhead of setting it up and
taking registrations. Imagine if they actually used the Mid-Tier for us to
register and pay for the "virtual convention". Oh, the technical
possibilities with a currency field. Opps... :)

I don't know what an average attendance is for RUG, but if only
every member of ARSList was to fork out say... $100 (x2000+ people) I would
bet that would cover the technical cost to setup and run something like what
I have in mind. Not to mention that at $100, the average company could
afford to send more than 1 or two people to 3 or 4 of these things/year and
still be "cheaper" than sending one persons to Disneyland for a week.

So I would say.. Make RUG happen twice a year, and make the
registration $200 per pop. That should bring in more people and offer more
opportunity to interact with the community. (Even think about the TZ
differences. A virtual RUG could be a 24x7 thing instead of a 8AM-1AM EST
thing.)


Hey, it is just a thought.

--
Carey Matthew Black

Solution = People + Process + Tools
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I've never, never, never, never, never..... never.... heard of a conference in Asia. Europe, yes but not one in Asia...

I'd have loved to attend one even at my own cost if one was brought to anywhere in Asia.

Joe DeSouza

==========================================

Sorry, guys and gals, but you're beating a dead horse if you think RUG will be anywhere but the San Francisco area. RUG will most likely be there because that's where the company and its people are.

I believe they do (or did before the Darkness came over them) have a conference in Asia and Europe, too, for those of you who live there.

Rick

==========================================

I have to agree on this point, being from outside the US. Having to deal with the exchange rate on top of everything is just to much.

If there where some international mini-RUG's (Since ARS is touted as such an international product) might be a little more fathomable to some of us.

If it where in Canada, you could leverage your american dollar to your advantage.

==========================================

If the RUG also shall be of interest for ars'ers outside USA, a agree that to total price for the conference has to go down a bit, Conferencecost, tickets, hotell, all together = a lot of money, and many Companies today has hard to give Green Light, a bit sad, because the RUG gives a lot for us ars people. I was in Orlando too, but 'to expensive' was the answer I got when I asked this year. The standard of the accomodation is not an important thing, be to be able to participate is...

Joe



It has been in Singapore



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Home/Office: 818-884-4013

Cell: 818-421-8946

Home FAX: 818-884-2025

E-Mail: EReynolds@QMXS.com



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Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 22:49
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)



I've never, never, never, never, never..... never.... heard of a conference in Asia. Europe, yes but not one in Asia...



I'd have loved to attend one even at my own cost if one was brought to anywhere in Asia.



Joe DeSouza



==========================================


Sorry, guys and gals, but you're beating a dead horse if you think RUG will be anywhere but the San Francisco area. RUG will most likely be there because that's where the company and its people are.

I believe they do (or did before the Darkness came over them) have a conference in Asia and Europe, too, for those of you who live there.

Rick

==========================================

I have to agree on this point, being from outside the US. Having to deal with the exchange rate on top of everything is just to much.

If there where some international mini-RUG's (Since ARS is touted as such an international product) might be a little more fathomable to some of us.

If it where in Canada, you could leverage your american dollar to your advantage.

==========================================


If the RUG also shall be of interest for ars'ers outside USA, a agree that to total price for the conference has to go down a bit, Conferencecost, tickets, hotell, all together = a lot of money, and many Companies today has hard to give Green Light, a bit sad, because the RUG gives a lot for us ars people. I was in Orlando too, but 'to expensive' was the answer I got when I asked this year. The standard of the accomodation is not an important thing, be to be able to participate is...

**

When was this??? And is there one that may be coming there or anywhere
thereabouts in the near future??

Joe DeSouza

=========================================Joe

It has been in Singapore

Ed Reynolds
Vice President QMX SUPPORT SERVICES INC.
Home/Office: 818-884-4013
Cell: 818-421-8946
Home FAX: 818-884-2025
E-Mail: EReynolds@QMXS.com

=========================================
I've never, never, never, never, never..... never.... heard of a conference
in Asia. Europe, yes but not one in Asia...

I'd have loved to attend one even at my own cost if one was brought to
anywhere in Asia.

Joe DeSouza

=========================================
Sorry, guys and gals, but you're beating a dead horse if you think RUG will
be anywhere but the San Francisco area. RUG will most likely be there
because that's where the company and its people are.

I believe they do (or did before the Darkness came over them) have a
conference in Asia and Europe, too, for those of you who live there.

Rick

=========================================
I have to agree on this point, being from outside the US. Having to deal
with the exchange rate on top of everything is just to much.

If there where some international mini-RUG's (Since ARS is touted as such an
international product) might be a little more fathomable to some of us.

If it where in Canada, you could leverage your american dollar to your
advantage.

=========================================
If the RUG also shall be of interest for ars'ers outside USA, a agree that to total price for the conference has to go down a bit, Conferencecost, tickets, hotell, all together = a lot of money, and many Companies today has hard to give Green Light, a bit sad, because the RUG gives a lot for us ars people. I was in Orlando too, but 'to expensive' was the answer I got when I asked this year. The standard of the accomodation is not an important thing, be to be able to participate is...

**

This whole thread has been speculation. No RUGs have been scheduled.

Ed Reynolds
Vice President QMX SUPPORT SERVICES INC.
Home/Office: 818-884-4013
Cell: 818-421-8946
Home FAX: 818-884-2025
E-Mail: EReynolds@QMXS.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM] On Behalf Of Joe DeSouza
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 23:09
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)

**

When was this??? And is there one that may be coming there or anywhere
thereabouts in the near future??

Joe DeSouza

==============
Joe

It has been in Singapore

Ed Reynolds
Vice President QMX SUPPORT SERVICES INC.
Home/Office: 818-884-4013
Cell: 818-421-8946
Home FAX: 818-884-2025
E-Mail: EReynolds@QMXS.com

==============

I've never, never, never, never, never..... never.... heard of a
conference
in Asia. Europe, yes but not one in Asia...

I'd have loved to attend one even at my own cost if one was brought to
anywhere in Asia.

Joe DeSouza

==============

Sorry, guys and gals, but you're beating a dead horse if you think RUG
will
be anywhere but the San Francisco area. RUG will most likely be there
because that's where the company and its people are.

I believe they do (or did before the Darkness came over them) have a
conference in Asia and Europe, too, for those of you who live there.

Rick

==============

I have to agree on this point, being from outside the US. Having to deal
with the exchange rate on top of everything is just to much.

If there where some international mini-RUG's (Since ARS is touted as
such an
international product) might be a little more fathomable to some of us.

If it where in Canada, you could leverage your american dollar to your
advantage.

==============

If the RUG also shall be of interest for ars'ers outside USA, a agree
that to total price for the conference has to go down a bit,
Conferencecost, tickets, hotell, all together = lot of money, and many
Companies today has hard to give Green Light, a bit sad, because the RUG
gives a lot for us ars people. I was in Orlando too, but 'to expensive'
was the answer I got when I asked this year. The standard of the
accomodation is not an important thing, be to be able to participate
is...



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Don't you guys think a conference in Africa will be nice for a change ? What about in South Africa ? The dollar and Euro is stronger against the currency, therefore it will be then cheaper......just a thought. (Besides......who's Peregrine.......hehehe)

Fritz

>>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:08AM >>>
**

When was this??? And is there one that may be coming there or anywhere
thereabouts in the near future??

Joe DeSouza

=========================================Joe

It has been in Singapore

Ed Reynolds
Vice President QMX SUPPORT SERVICES INC.
Home/Office: 818-884-4013
Cell: 818-421-8946
Home FAX: 818-884-2025
E-Mail: EReynolds@QMXS.com

=========================================
I've never, never, never, never, never..... never.... heard of a conference
in Asia. Europe, yes but not one in Asia...

I'd have loved to attend one even at my own cost if one was brought to
anywhere in Asia.

Joe DeSouza

=========================================
Sorry, guys and gals, but you're beating a dead horse if you think RUG will
be anywhere but the San Francisco area. RUG will most likely be there
because that's where the company and its people are.

I believe they do (or did before the Darkness came over them) have a
conference in Asia and Europe, too, for those of you who live there.

Rick

=========================================
I have to agree on this point, being from outside the US. Having to deal
with the exchange rate on top of everything is just to much.

If there where some international mini-RUG's (Since ARS is touted as such an
international product) might be a little more fathomable to some of us.

If it where in Canada, you could leverage your american dollar to your
advantage.

=========================================
If the RUG also shall be of interest for ars'ers outside USA, a agree that to total price for the conference has to go down a bit, Conferencecost, tickets, hotell, all together = a lot of money, and many Companies today has hard to give Green Light, a bit sad, because the RUG gives a lot for us ars people. I was in Orlando too, but 'to expensive' was the answer I got when I asked this year. The standard of the accomodation is not an important thing, be to be able to participate is...







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Fritz,

Would as good as any place in Asia. Not too far from where I am and besides a lot more affordable to me who earns a Asian salary. I do not think getting a Visa there is an issue as well.

Joe

=========================================


Don't you guys think a conference in Africa will be nice for a change ? What about in South Africa ? The dollar and Euro is stronger against the currency, therefore it will be then cheaper......just a thought. (Besides......who's Peregrine.......hehehe)

Fritz

>>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:08AM >>>
**

When was this??? And is there one that may be coming there or anywhere
thereabouts in the near future??

Joe DeSouza

=========================================

Joe

It has been in Singapore

Ed Reynolds
Vice President QMX SUPPORT SERVICES INC.
Home/Office: 818-884-4013
Cell: 818-421-8946
Home FAX: 818-884-2025
E-Mail: EReynolds@QMXS.com

=========================================
I've never, never, never, never, never..... never.... heard of a conference
in Asia. Europe, yes but not one in Asia...

I'd have loved to attend one even at my own cost if one was brought to
anywhere in Asia.

Joe DeSouza

=========================================
Sorry, guys and gals, but you're beating a dead horse if you think RUG will
e anywhere but the San Francisco area. RUG will most likely be there
because that's where the company and its people are.

I believe they do (or did before the Darkness came over them) have a
conference in Asia and Europe, too, for those of you who live there.

Rick

=========================================
I have to agree on this point, being from outside the US. Having to deal
with the exchange rate on top of everything is just to much.

If there where some international mini-RUG's (Since ARS is touted as such an
international product) might be a little more fathomable to some of us.

If it where in Canada, you could leverage your american dollar to your
advantage.

=========================================
If the RUG also shall be of interest for ars'ers outside USA, a agree that to total price for the conference has to go down a bit, Conferencecost, tickets, hotell, all together = a lot of money, and many Companies today has hard to give Green Light, a bit sad, because the RUG gives a lot for us ars people. I was in Orlando too, but 'to expensive' was the answer I got when I asked this year. The standard of the accomodation is not an important thing, be to be able to participate is...

Joe

If we can get the RUG to be held here, just imagine, Africa and Asia will then be part of it all. We always read, wondering and admire, why not be part of it ?

Fritz

>>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:25AM >>>

Fritz,

Would as good as any place in Asia. Not too far from where I am and besides a lot more affordable to me who earns a Asian salary. I do not think getting a Visa there is an issue as well.

Joe

=========================================


Don't you guys think a conference in Africa will be nice for a change ? What about in South Africa ? The dollar and Euro is stronger against the currency, therefore it will be then cheaper......just a thought. (Besides......who's Peregrine.......hehehe)

Fritz

>>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:08AM >>>
**

When was this??? And is there one that may be coming there or anywhere
thereabouts in the near future??

Joe DeSouza

=========================================

Joe

It has been in Singapore

Ed Reynolds
Vice President QMX SUPPORT SERVICES INC.
Home/Office: 818-884-4013
Cell: 818-421-8946
Home FAX: 818-884-2025
E-Mail: EReynolds@QMXS.com

=========================================
I've never, never, never, never, never..... never.... heard of a conference
in Asia. Europe, yes but not one in Asia...

I'd have loved to attend one even at my own cost if one was brought to
anywhere in Asia.

Joe DeSouza

=========================================
Sorry, guys and gals, but you're beating a dead horse if you think RUG will
e anywhere but the San Francisco area. RUG will most likely be there
because that's where the company and its people are.

I believe they do (or did before the Darkness came over them) have a
conference in Asia and Europe, too, for those of you who live there.

Rick

=========================================
I have to agree on this point, being from outside the US. Having to deal
with the exchange rate on top of everything is just to much.

If there where some international mini-RUG's (Since ARS is touted as such an
international product) might be a little more fathomable to some of us.

If it where in Canada, you could leverage your american dollar to your
advantage.

=========================================
If the RUG also shall be of interest for ars'ers outside USA, a agree that to total price for the conference has to go down a bit, Conferencecost, tickets, hotell, all together = a lot of money, and many Companies today has hard to give Green Light, a bit sad, because the RUG gives a lot for us ars people. I was in Orlando too, but 'to expensive' was the answer I got when I asked this year. The standard of the accomodation is not an important thing, be to be able to participate is...



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Fritz,

I'd agree with that.. Both these are a lot more affordable places to go to. And more easier to get VISA's to. The US (or even Canada or Europe) on the other hand is probably twice as expensive, and probably more accessible to those only living there.

In my honest opinion, conferences such as this should not only be held in the place where its makers were born. Doesn't Microsoft hold its conferences in even remote places? And then people wonder how they are the makers of the most popular OS's given all their instabilities. I wonder why Remedy sticks to just its home ground. Are they afraid to venture into the wild?

C'mmon guys, don't be afraid of us Asians and Africans... we are mostly vegetarians LOL ... and we are nice people... we are even nicer to who are nice to us... :)

Joe DeSouza

============================================

Joe

If we can get the RUG to be held here, just imagine, Africa and Asia will then be part of it all. We always read, wondering and admire, why not be part of it ?

Fritz

>>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:25AM >>>

Fritz,

Would as good as any place in Asia. Not too far from where I am and besides a lot more affordable to me who earns a Asian salary. I do not think getting a Visa there is an issue as well.

Joe

=========================================


Don't you guys think a conference in Africa will be nice for a change ? What about in South Africa ? The dollar and Euro is stronger against the currency, therefore it will be then cheaper......just a thought. (Besides......who's Peregrine.......hehehe)

Fritz

>>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:08AM >>>
**

When was this??? And is there one that may be coming there or anywhere
thereabouts in the near future??

Joe DeSouza

=========================================

Joe

It has been in Singapore

Ed Reynolds
Vice President QMX SUPPORT SERVICES INC.
Home/Office: 818-884-4013
Cell: 818-421-8946
Home FAX: 818-884-2025
E-Mail: EReynolds@QMXS.com

=========================================
I've never, never, never, never, never..... never.... heard of a conference
in Asia. Europe, yes but not one in Asia...

I'd have loved to attend one even at my own cost if one was brought to
anywhere in Asia.

Joe DeSouza

=========================================
Sorry, guys and gals, but you're beating a dead horse if you think RUG will
e anywhere but the San Francisco area. RUG will most likely be there
because that's where the company and its people are.

I believe they do (or did before the Darkness came over them) have a
conference in Asia and Europe, too, for those of you who live there.

Rick

=========================================
I have to agree on this point, being from outside the US. Having to deal
with the exchange rate on top of everything is just to much.

If there where some international mini-RUG's (Since ARS is touted as such an
international product) might be a little more fathomable to some of us.

If it where in Canada, you could leverage your american dollar to your
advantage.

=========================================
If the RUG also shall be of interest for ars'ers outside USA, a agree that to total price for the conference has to go down a bit, Conferencecost, tickets, hotell, all together = a lot of money, and many Companies today has hard to give Green Light, a bit sad, because the RUG gives a lot for us ars people. I was in Orlando too, but 'to expensive' was the answer I got when I asked this year. The standard of the accomodation is not an important thing, be to be able to participate is...



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Joe,

We will call it RUG, The African Safari !


>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:49AM >>>

Fritz,

I'd agree with that.. Both these are a lot more affordable places to go to. And more easier to get VISA's to. The US (or even Canada or Europe) on the other hand is probably twice as expensive, and probably more accessible to those only living there.

In my honest opinion, conferences such as this should not only be held in the place where its makers were born. Doesn't Microsoft hold its conferences in even remote places? And then people wonder how they are the makers of the most popular OS's given all their instabilities. I wonder why Remedy sticks to just its home ground. Are they afraid to venture into the wild?

C'mmon guys, don't be afraid of us Asians and Africans... we are mostly vegetarians LOL ... and we are nice people... we are even nicer to who are nice to us... :)

Joe DeSouza

============================================

Joe

If we can get the RUG to be held here, just imagine, Africa and Asia will then be part of it all. We always read, wondering and admire, why not be part of it ?

Fritz

>>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:25AM >>>

Fritz,

Would as good as any place in Asia. Not too far from where I am and besides a lot more affordable to me who earns a Asian salary. I do not think getting a Visa there is an issue as well.

Joe

=========================================


Don't you guys think a conference in Africa will be nice for a change ? What about in South Africa ? The dollar and Euro is stronger against the currency, therefore it will be then cheaper......just a thought. (Besides......who's Peregrine.......hehehe)

Fritz

>>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:08AM >>>
**

When was this??? And is there one that may be coming there or anywhere
thereabouts in the near future??

Joe DeSouza

=========================================

Joe

It has been in Singapore

Ed Reynolds
Vice President QMX SUPPORT SERVICES INC.
Home/Office: 818-884-4013
Cell: 818-421-8946
Home FAX: 818-884-2025
E-Mail: EReynolds@QMXS.com

=========================================
I've never, never, never, never, never..... never.... heard of a conference
in Asia. Europe, yes but not one in Asia...

I'd have loved to attend one even at my own cost if one was brought to
anywhere in Asia.

Joe DeSouza

=========================================
Sorry, guys and gals, but you're beating a dead horse if you think RUG will
e anywhere but the San Francisco area. RUG will most likely be there
because that's where the company and its people are.

I believe they do (or did before the Darkness came over them) have a
conference in Asia and Europe, too, for those of you who live there.

Rick

=========================================
I have to agree on this point, being from outside the US. Having to deal
with the exchange rate on top of everything is just to much.

If there where some international mini-RUG's (Since ARS is touted as such an
international product) might be a little more fathomable to some of us.

If it where in Canada, you could leverage your american dollar to your
advantage.

=========================================
If the RUG also shall be of interest for ars'ers outside USA, a agree that to total price for the conference has to go down a bit, Conferencecost, tickets, hotell, all together = a lot of money, and many Companies today has hard to give Green Light, a bit sad, because the RUG gives a lot for us ars people. I was in Orlando too, but 'to expensive' was the answer I got when I asked this year. The standard of the accomodation is not an important thing, be to be able to participate is...



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Only one thing for the Remedy folks to watch out if they come to Africa though...

Most of the Lions there are rumored to be non-veggies... LOL... And they just might like people... LOL.. kiddin'... Now I'm sure I've scared 'em Remedy folks away... :)

Joe

============================================

Joe,

We will call it RUG, The African Safari !


>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:49AM >>>

Fritz,

I'd agree with that.. Both these are a lot more affordable places to go to. And more easier to get VISA's to. The US (or even Canada or Europe) on the other hand is probably twice as expensive, and probably more accessible to those only living there.

In my honest opinion, conferences such as this should not only be held in the place where its makers were born. Doesn't Microsoft hold its conferences in even remote places? And then people wonder how they are the makers of the most popular OS's given all their instabilities. I wonder why Remedy sticks to just its home ground. Are they afraid to venture into the wild?

C'mmon guys, don't be afraid of us Asians and Africans... we are mostly vegetarians LOL ... and we are nice people... we are even nicer to who are nice to us... :)

Joe DeSouza

============================================

Joe

If we can get the RUG to be held here, just imagine, Africa and Asia will then be part of it all. We always read, wondering and admire, why not be part of it ?

Fritz

>>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:25AM >>>

Fritz,

Would as good as any place in Asia. Not too far from where I am and besides a lot more affordable to me who earns a Asian salary. I do not think getting a Visa there is an issue as well.

Joe

=========================================


Don't you guys think a conference in Africa will be nice for a change ? What about in South Africa ? The dollar and Euro is stronger against the currency, therefore it will be then cheaper......just a thought. (Besides......who's Peregrine.......hehehe)

Fritz

>>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:08AM >>>
**

When was this??? And is there one that may be coming there or anywhere
thereabouts in the near future??

Joe DeSouza

=========================================

Joe

It has been in Singapore

Ed Reynolds
Vice President QMX SUPPORT SERVICES INC.
Home/Office: 818-884-4013
Cell: 818-421-8946
Home FAX: 818-884-2025
E-Mail: EReynolds@QMXS.com

=========================================
I've never, never, never, never, never..... never.... heard of a conference
in Asia. Europe, yes but not one in Asia...

I'd have loved to attend one even at my own cost if one was brought to
anywhere in Asia.

Joe DeSouza

=========================================
Sorry, guys and gals, but you're beating a dead horse if you think RUG will
e anywhere but the San Francisco area. RUG will most likely be there
because that's where the company and its people are.

I believe they do (or did before the Darkness came over them) have a
conference in Asia and Europe, too, for those of you who live there.

Rick

=========================================
I have to agree on this point, being from outside the US. Having to deal
with the exchange rate on top of everything is just to much.

If there where some international mini-RUG's (Since ARS is touted as such an
international product) might be a little more fathomable to some of us.

If it where in Canada, you could leverage your american dollar to your
advantage.

=========================================
If the RUG also shall be of interest for ars'ers outside USA, a agree that to total price for the conference has to go down a bit, Conferencecost, tickets, hotell, all together = a lot of money, and many Companies today has hard to give Green Light, a bit sad, because the RUG gives a lot for us ars people. I was in Orlando too, but 'to expensive' was the answer I got when I asked this year. The standard of the accomodation is not an important thing, be to be able to participate is...



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I agree with Fritz, South Africa is a good choice.... where have plenty of
fantastic conference venues here...keep an eye on TV, we are hosting the World
Summit in Johannesburg in August

It will cost you guys next to nothing to come over.....

Regards
Darren

Joe,

I was always told that Hippos were more dangerous (or claimed more lives) than lions.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe DeSouza [mailto:joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 3:06 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: [ARSLIST] Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


Only one thing for the Remedy folks to watch out if they come to Africa though...

Most of the Lions there are rumored to be non-veggies... LOL... And they just might like people... LOL.. kiddin'... Now I'm sure I've scared 'em Remedy folks away... :)

Joe

============================================

Joe,

We will call it RUG, The African Safari !


>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:49AM >>>

Fritz,

I'd agree with that.. Both these are a lot more affordable places to go to. And more easier to get VISA's to. The US (or even Canada or Europe) on the other hand is probably twice as expensive, and probably more accessible to those only living there.

In my honest opinion, conferences such as this should not only be held in the place where its makers were born. Doesn't Microsoft hold its conferences in even remote places? And then people wonder how they are the makers of the most popular OS's given all their instabilities. I wonder why Remedy sticks to just its home ground. Are they afraid to venture into the wild?

C'mmon guys, don't be afraid of us Asians and Africans... we are mostly vegetarians LOL ... and we are nice people... we are even nicer to who are nice to us... :)

Joe DeSouza

============================================

Joe

If we can get the RUG to be held here, just imagine, Africa and Asia will then be part of it all. We always read, wondering and admire, why not be part of it ?

Fritz

>>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:25AM >>>

Fritz,

Would as good as any place in Asia. Not too far from where I am and besides a lot more affordable to me who earns a Asian salary. I do not think getting a Visa there is an issue as well.

Joe

=========================================


Don't you guys think a conference in Africa will be nice for a change ? What about in South Africa ? The dollar and Euro is stronger against the currency, therefore it will be then cheaper......just a thought. (Besides......who's Peregrine.......hehehe)

Fritz

>>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:08AM >>>
**

When was this??? And is there one that may be coming there or anywhere
thereabouts in the near future??

Joe DeSouza

=========================================

Joe

It has been in Singapore

Ed Reynolds
Vice President QMX SUPPORT SERVICES INC.
Home/Office: 818-884-4013
Cell: 818-421-8946
Home FAX: 818-884-2025
E-Mail: EReynolds@QMXS.com

=========================================
I've never, never, never, never, never..... never.... heard of a conference
in Asia. Europe, yes but not one in Asia...

I'd have loved to attend one even at my own cost if one was brought to
anywhere in Asia.

Joe DeSouza

=========================================
Sorry, guys and gals, but you're beating a dead horse if you think RUG will
e anywhere but the San Francisco area. RUG will most likely be there
because that's where the company and its people are.

I believe they do (or did before the Darkness came over them) have a
conference in Asia and Europe, too, for those of you who live there.

Rick

=========================================
I have to agree on this point, being from outside the US. Having to deal
with the exchange rate on top of everything is just to much.

If there where some international mini-RUG's (Since ARS is touted as such an
international product) might be a little more fathomable to some of us.

If it where in Canada, you could leverage your american dollar to your
advantage.

=========================================
If the RUG also shall be of interest for ars'ers outside USA, a agree that to total price for the conference has to go down a bit, Conferencecost, tickets, hotell, all together = a lot of money, and many Companies today has hard to give Green Light, a bit sad, because the RUG gives a lot for us ars people. I was in Orlando too, but 'to expensive' was the answer I got when I asked this year. The standard of the accomodation is not an important thing, be to be able to participate is...



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How about Toronto, Ontario, CANADA?



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Goralczyk [mailto:Brian.Goralczyk@VERIZONWIRELESS.COM]
Sent: Wed 7/10/2002 9:30 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


Joe,

I was always told that Hippos were more dangerous (or claimed more lives) than lions.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe DeSouza [mailto:joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 3:06 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: [ARSLIST] Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


Only one thing for the Remedy folks to watch out if they come to Africa though...

Most of the Lions there are rumored to be non-veggies... LOL... And they just might like people... LOL.. kiddin'... Now I'm sure I've scared 'em Remedy folks away... :)

Joe

============================================

Joe,

We will call it RUG, The African Safari !


>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:49AM >>>

Fritz,

I'd agree with that.. Both these are a lot more affordable places to go to. And more easier to get VISA's to. The US (or even Canada or Europe) on the other hand is probably twice as expensive, and probably more accessible to those only living there.

In my honest opinion, conferences such as this should not only be held in the place where its makers were born. Doesn't Microsoft hold its conferences in even remote places? And then people wonder how they are the makers of the most popular OS's given all their instabilities. I wonder why Remedy sticks to just its home ground. Are they afraid to venture into the wild?

C'mmon guys, don't be afraid of us Asians and Africans... we are mostly vegetarians LOL ... and we are nice people... we are even nicer to who are nice to us... :)

Joe DeSouza

============================================

Joe

If we can get the RUG to be held here, just imagine, Africa and Asia will then be part of it all. We always read, wondering and admire, why not be part of it ?

Fritz

>>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:25AM >>>

Fritz,

Would as good as any place in Asia. Not too far from where I am and besides a lot more affordable to me who earns a Asian salary. I do not think getting a Visa there is an issue as well.

Joe

=========================================


Don't you guys think a conference in Africa will be nice for a change ? What about in South Africa ? The dollar and Euro is stronger against the currency, therefore it will be then cheaper......just a thought. (Besides......who's Peregrine.......hehehe)

Fritz

>>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:08AM >>>
**

When was this??? And is there one that may be coming there or anywhere
thereabouts in the near future??

Joe DeSouza

=========================================

Joe

It has been in Singapore

Ed Reynolds
Vice President QMX SUPPORT SERVICES INC.
Home/Office: 818-884-4013
Cell: 818-421-8946
Home FAX: 818-884-2025
E-Mail: EReynolds@QMXS.com

=========================================
I've never, never, never, never, never..... never.... heard of a conference
in Asia. Europe, yes but not one in Asia...

I'd have loved to attend one even at my own cost if one was brought to
anywhere in Asia.

Joe DeSouza

=========================================
Sorry, guys and gals, but you're beating a dead horse if you think RUG will
e anywhere but the San Francisco area. RUG will most likely be there
because that's where the company and its people are.

I believe they do (or did before the Darkness came over them) have a
conference in Asia and Europe, too, for those of you who live there.

Rick

=========================================
I have to agree on this point, being from outside the US. Having to deal
with the exchange rate on top of everything is just to much.

If there where some international mini-RUG's (Since ARS is touted as such an
international product) might be a little more fathomable to some of us.

If it where in Canada, you could leverage your american dollar to your
advantage.

=========================================
If the RUG also shall be of interest for ars'ers outside USA, a agree that to total price for the conference has to go down a bit, Conferencecost, tickets, hotell, all together = a lot of money, and many Companies today has hard to give Green Light, a bit sad, because the RUG gives a lot for us ars people. I was in Orlando too, but 'to expensive' was the answer I got when I asked this year. The standard of the accomodation is not an important thing, be to be able to participate is...



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**

Joe DeSouza wrote:
>Only one thing for the Remedy folks to watch out if they come to Africa
though...
>
>Most of the Lions there are rumored to be non-veggies... LOL... And they
just might like >people... LOL.. kiddin'... Now I'm sure I've scared 'em
Remedy folks away... :)

This reminds me of a conversation I had with a non-travelling friend. I
told her we were considering going to Thailand & Cambodia next year. She
said "I'd be afraid to go there. It sounds so exotic - they might have
snakes there!" I didn't tell her that we also have snakes in the US.

-Shannon Davis-

Brian,
Dont worry, it aint Hippos, its actually Hippocrates....hehehe.

>>> Brian.Goralczyk@VERIZONWIRELESS.COM 07/10/02 03:30PM >>>

Joe,

I was always told that Hippos were more dangerous (or claimed more lives) than lions.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe DeSouza [mailto:joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 3:06 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: [ARSLIST] Disneyland Venue for Next RUG Meeting (FALL)


Only one thing for the Remedy folks to watch out if they come to Africa though...

Most of the Lions there are rumored to be non-veggies... LOL... And they just might like people... LOL.. kiddin'... Now I'm sure I've scared 'em Remedy folks away... :)

Joe

============================================

Joe,

We will call it RUG, The African Safari !


>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:49AM >>>

Fritz,

I'd agree with that.. Both these are a lot more affordable places to go to. And more easier to get VISA's to. The US (or even Canada or Europe) on the other hand is probably twice as expensive, and probably more accessible to those only living there.

In my honest opinion, conferences such as this should not only be held in the place where its makers were born. Doesn't Microsoft hold its conferences in even remote places? And then people wonder how they are the makers of the most popular OS's given all their instabilities. I wonder why Remedy sticks to just its home ground. Are they afraid to venture into the wild?

C'mmon guys, don't be afraid of us Asians and Africans... we are mostly vegetarians LOL ... and we are nice people... we are even nicer to who are nice to us... :)

Joe DeSouza

============================================

Joe

If we can get the RUG to be held here, just imagine, Africa and Asia will then be part of it all. We always read, wondering and admire, why not be part of it ?

Fritz

>>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:25AM >>>

Fritz,

Would as good as any place in Asia. Not too far from where I am and besides a lot more affordable to me who earns a Asian salary. I do not think getting a Visa there is an issue as well.

Joe

=========================================


Don't you guys think a conference in Africa will be nice for a change ? What about in South Africa ? The dollar and Euro is stronger against the currency, therefore it will be then cheaper......just a thought. (Besides......who's Peregrine.......hehehe)

Fritz

>>> joe.cybermak@MAKHARAFI.NET 07/10/02 08:08AM >>>
**

When was this??? And is there one that may be coming there or anywhere
thereabouts in the near future??

Joe DeSouza

=========================================

Joe

It has been in Singapore

Ed Reynolds
Vice President QMX SUPPORT SERVICES INC.
Home/Office: 818-884-4013
Cell: 818-421-8946
Home FAX: 818-884-2025
E-Mail: EReynolds@QMXS.com

=========================================
I've never, never, never, never, never..... never.... heard of a conference
in Asia. Europe, yes but not one in Asia...

I'd have loved to attend one even at my own cost if one was brought to
anywhere in Asia.

Joe DeSouza

=========================================
Sorry, guys and gals, but you're beating a dead horse if you think RUG will
e anywhere but the San Francisco area. RUG will most likely be there
because that's where the company and its people are.

I believe they do (or did before the Darkness came over them) have a
conference in Asia and Europe, too, for those of you who live there.

Rick

=========================================
I have to agree on this point, being from outside the US. Having to deal
with the exchange rate on top of everything is just to much.

If there where some international mini-RUG's (Since ARS is touted as such an
international product) might be a little more fathomable to some of us.

If it where in Canada, you could leverage your american dollar to your
advantage.

=========================================
If the RUG also shall be of interest for ars'ers outside USA, a agree that to total price for the conference has to go down a bit, Conferencecost, tickets, hotell, all together = a lot of money, and many Companies today has hard to give Green Light, a bit sad, because the RUG gives a lot for us ars people. I was in Orlando too, but 'to expensive' was the answer I got when I asked this year. The standard of the accomodation is not an important thing, be to be able to participate is...



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