Hello,
We want to install another Remedy server and wanted to know what
everyone's feelings were on Nt vs Aix is Nt that much slower? 35% slower?
Any feedback will help, thank you


-T

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracey Smith"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:20 AM
Subject: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


> **
>
> Hello,
> We want to install another Remedy server and wanted to know what
> everyone's feelings were on Nt vs Aix is Nt that much slower? 35% slower?
> Any feedback will help, thank you
>
>
> -T
>
> _____
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>
>
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Yet another server OS discussion, yeah I love them....


A server OS is as good as your administrator is. A well maintained NT server
beat a badly maintain UNIX server with no problem.

--
Jarl Groneng
jarl@nextra.com



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM]On Behalf Of Tracey Smith
> Sent: 24. juli 2001 14:20
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Subject: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>
>
> **
>
> Hello,
> We want to install another Remedy server and wanted to know what
> everyone's feelings were on Nt vs Aix is Nt that much slower? 35% slower?
> Any feedback will help, thank you
>
>
> -T
>
> _____
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>
> ______
> _______________________
>
>
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I have run into some installation problems on AIX.

If you install multiple applications like Help Desk and Change Management or
Asset Management, you have to jump through some hoops to get them installed.
There is a supplemental install guide that describes this though.

I have not been able to gauge the speed differential yet.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracey Smith"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:20 AM
Subject: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


> **
>
> Hello,
> We want to install another Remedy server and wanted to know what
> everyone's feelings were on Nt vs Aix is Nt that much slower? 35% slower?
> Any feedback will help, thank you
>
>
> -T
>
> _____
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>
>
________________
_____________
>

> You may also control your subscription options, including UNSUBSCRIBE, at
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_____________________________

The OS choice you make should be based on the hardware that you have and the
ability of the staff there to support it. If your company has twenty NT
admins and zero Unix guys, well... And the reverse is true. The general
goal, of course, is to provide the end users with a stable (or close
approximation thereof), supported Remedy platform to work on. Speed is
something that should be considered after support and hardware. I mean,
after all, it does one no good to have the fastest server on the planet and
then run out of memory, or fry a drive with nobody to replace it.

If you are interested in reading up on the topic, and have some time, here
are a few (somewhat slanted) sources which may help.

http://www.unix-vs-nt.org/kirch/
http://news.cnet.com/news/0,10000,0-1003-200-335947,00.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/990126-000022.html

HTH,

Will



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jarl Groneng"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


> **
>
> Yet another server OS discussion, yeah I love them....
>
>
> A server OS is as good as your administrator is. A well maintained NT
server
> beat a badly maintain UNIX server with no problem.
>
> --
> Jarl Groneng
> jarl@nextra.com
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> > [mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM]On Behalf Of Tracey Smith
> > Sent: 24. juli 2001 14:20
> > To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> > Subject: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
> >
> >
> > **
> >
> > Hello,
> > We want to install another Remedy server and wanted to know what
> > everyone's feelings were on Nt vs Aix is Nt that much slower? 35%
slower?
> > Any feedback will help, thank you
> >
> >
> > -T
> >
> > _____
> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
> >
> > ______
> > _______________________
> >
> >
> > You may also control your subscription options, including
> > UNSUBSCRIBE, at www.ARSLIST.org
> >
> >
>
>
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>

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well and also Win2000 Adv. Server is more stable than Unix and does not have
a Memory Leak as many Unix Boxes have..
Easyer to mentain and the Hardware as well as the OS System is cheaper...
:-)
If You really want a blowing Box try this:
Compaq ProLiant 8000 with 8 CPUs 4 GB of RAM and SCSI HDs via Fire wire
Uses 7.5 CPUs to run the OS
and than try ether MSSQL 2000 or Oracle 8.16
Look at the Price and buy a second as Backup and You still cheaper than on a
Sun Box...

Thanks to all of You!

Markus
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jarl Groneng"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


> **
>
> Yet another server OS discussion, yeah I love them....
>
>
> A server OS is as good as your administrator is. A well maintained NT
server
> beat a badly maintain UNIX server with no problem.
>
> --
> Jarl Groneng
> jarl@nextra.com
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> > [mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM]On Behalf Of Tracey Smith
> > Sent: 24. juli 2001 14:20
> > To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> > Subject: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
> >
> >
> > **
> >
> > Hello,
> > We want to install another Remedy server and wanted to know what
> > everyone's feelings were on Nt vs Aix is Nt that much slower? 35%
slower?
> > Any feedback will help, thank you
> >
> >
> > -T
> >
> > _____
> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
> >
> > ______
> > _______________________
> >
> >
> > You may also control your subscription options, including
> > UNSUBSCRIBE, at www.ARSLIST.org
> >
> >
>
>
________________
_____________
>

> You may also control your subscription options, including UNSUBSCRIBE, at
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>
>

_____________________________

UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available. If you're doing
a small number of transactions NT can handle this.

If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7 availability choose
UNIX.

Prices on Sun boxes now are under $1000.00 for rack mountable servers so
cost
is no longer an issue. Sun is a more desirable platform from a support,
development
& available applications stand-point. If you must choose AIX, that will
work.

Support is clearly important. Call us if you need UNIX help with your ARS
instances. We work both NT and UNIX and have customers who use both.

I do agree with Will re: If you have no UNIX Admins you may want to choose
NT.

Dave Wilmot
President and CEO
Rapid Technologies, Inc.
"The e-Integration People"
email: dave.wilmot@raptek.com
web: www.raptek.com
(303) 948-1014, ext 101

----- Original Message -----
From: "William H. Du Chene"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


> **
>
> The OS choice you make should be based on the hardware that you have and
the
> ability of the staff there to support it. If your company has twenty NT
> admins and zero Unix guys, well... And the reverse is true. The general
> goal, of course, is to provide the end users with a stable (or close
> approximation thereof), supported Remedy platform to work on. Speed is
> something that should be considered after support and hardware. I mean,
> after all, it does one no good to have the fastest server on the planet
and
> then run out of memory, or fry a drive with nobody to replace it.
>
> If you are interested in reading up on the topic, and have some time, here
> are a few (somewhat slanted) sources which may help.
>
> http://www.unix-vs-nt.org/kirch/
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0,10000,0-1003-200-335947,00.html
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/990126-000022.html
>
> HTH,
>
> Will
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jarl Groneng"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:55 AM
> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>
>
> > **
> >
> > Yet another server OS discussion, yeah I love them....
> >
> >
> > A server OS is as good as your administrator is. A well maintained NT
> server
> > beat a badly maintain UNIX server with no problem.
> >
> > --
> > Jarl Groneng
> > jarl@nextra.com
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> > > [mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM]On Behalf Of Tracey Smith
> > > Sent: 24. juli 2001 14:20
> > > To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> > > Subject: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
> > >
> > >
> > > **
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > > We want to install another Remedy server and wanted to know what
> > > everyone's feelings were on Nt vs Aix is Nt that much slower? 35%
> slower?
> > > Any feedback will help, thank you
> > >
> > >
> > > -T
> > >
> > > _____
> > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
> http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
> > >
> > > ______
> > > _______________________
> > >
> > >
> > > You may also control your subscription options, including
> > > UNSUBSCRIBE, at www.ARSLIST.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
________________
> _____________
> >
>
> > You may also control your subscription options, including UNSUBSCRIBE,
at
> www.ARSLIST.org
> >
>
>
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---- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Wilmot"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


> **
>
> UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available. If you're doing
> a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
>
> If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7 availability
> choose UNIX.

I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a company had a
presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers, they handled
ten-thousands of tickets each day.

--
Jarl Groneng
jarl@nextra.com

(for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved in NT/UNIX and
Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)

_____________________________

I agree with Jarl!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jarl Groneng [mailto:rapid@ONLINE.NO]
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 11:22 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

---- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Wilmot"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


> **
>
> UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available. If you're doing
> a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
>
> If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7 availability
> choose UNIX.

I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a company had a
presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers, they handled
ten-thousands of tickets each day.

--
Jarl Groneng
jarl@nextra.com

(for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved in NT/UNIX and
Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)

________________
_____________


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www.ARSLIST.org

_____________________________

Well we have a Global Customer who choosed Win 2000 and Compaq and they are
very very happy ant not only because of the lower Hardware Price.

they do a follow the Sun Option and expecting a couple 1000 Tics a day...

So... Im sorry but Metenance Fees is way cheaper on NT... belive it or not
its also very very stable!
I belive W2K is far the best MS ever did....... I agree it has a lot of UNIX
bulid in.. :-)



Thanks to all of You!

Markus
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyrone Dee"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


> **
>
> I agree with Jarl!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jarl Groneng [mailto:rapid@ONLINE.NO]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 11:22 AM
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>
>
> **
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Wilmot"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>
>
> > **
> >
> > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available. If you're doing
> > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
> >
> > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7 availability
> > choose UNIX.
>
> I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a company had a
> presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers, they handled
> ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>
> --
> Jarl Groneng
> jarl@nextra.com
>
> (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved in NT/UNIX and
> Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>
>
________________
> _____________
>
>
> You may also control your subscription options, including UNSUBSCRIBE, at
> www.ARSLIST.org
>
>
________________
_____________
>

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>

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Well said!


-----Original Message-----
From: Markus [mailto:ars1@GMX.NET]
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:00 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

Well we have a Global Customer who choosed Win 2000 and Compaq and they are
very very happy ant not only because of the lower Hardware Price.

they do a follow the Sun Option and expecting a couple 1000 Tics a day...

So... Im sorry but Metenance Fees is way cheaper on NT... belive it or not
its also very very stable!
I belive W2K is far the best MS ever did....... I agree it has a lot of UNIX
bulid in.. :-)



Thanks to all of You!

Markus
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyrone Dee"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


> **
>
> I agree with Jarl!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jarl Groneng [mailto:rapid@ONLINE.NO]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 11:22 AM
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>
>
> **
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Wilmot"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>
>
> > **
> >
> > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available. If you're doing
> > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
> >
> > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7 availability
> > choose UNIX.
>
> I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a company had a
> presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers, they handled
> ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>
> --
> Jarl Groneng
> jarl@nextra.com
>
> (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved in NT/UNIX and
> Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>
>
________________
> _____________
>
>
> You may also control your subscription options, including UNSUBSCRIBE, at
> www.ARSLIST.org
>
>
________________
_____________
>

> You may also control your subscription options, including UNSUBSCRIBE, at
www.ARSLIST.org
>
>

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Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT administration. We
see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive. Finally, Compaq
servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing... get some quotes
to see this price comparison.

Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform a 4 processor
Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a bit more
expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating environment scale way
beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will. Again... if you have
no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.

This can become a religious battle but remember the simple stuff. NT is 7
years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do O.S. and Data
Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are getting there.
If you care about security you will want to choose a mature solution as
well. There are security concerns around NT.
I realize not everyone wants to hear this.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jarl Groneng"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


> **
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Wilmot"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>
>
> > **
> >
> > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available. If you're doing
> > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
> >
> > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7 availability
> > choose UNIX.
>
> I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a company had a
> presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers, they handled
> ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>
> --
> Jarl Groneng
> jarl@nextra.com
>
> (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved in NT/UNIX and
> Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>
>
________________
_____________
>

> You may also control your subscription options, including UNSUBSCRIBE, at
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>

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I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000 Server very
stable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Wilmot [mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT administration. We
see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive. Finally, Compaq
servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing... get some quotes
to see this price comparison.

Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform a 4 processor
Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a bit more
expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating environment scale way
beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will. Again... if you have
no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.

This can become a religious battle but remember the simple stuff. NT is 7
years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do O.S. and Data
Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are getting there.
If you care about security you will want to choose a mature solution as
well. There are security concerns around NT.
I realize not everyone wants to hear this.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jarl Groneng"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


> **
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Wilmot"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>
>
> > **
> >
> > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available. If you're doing
> > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
> >
> > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7 availability
> > choose UNIX.
>
> I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a company had a
> presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers, they handled
> ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>
> --
> Jarl Groneng
> jarl@nextra.com
>
> (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved in NT/UNIX and
> Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>
>
________________
_____________
>

> You may also control your subscription options, including UNSUBSCRIBE, at
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>

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I agree with the NT folks who've written. I've been running on NT4 SP6 for
over a year without a reboot. As a matter of fact, until last Friday when I
found the virus I reported, I hadn't even touched the keyboard in nearly 6
months. (log checks, Remedy admin etc from workstation)

Dave Crandall <><


-----Original Message-----
From: Tyrone Dee [mailto:tyrone.dee@AMDOCS.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:18 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000 Server very
stable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Wilmot [mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT administration. We
see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive. Finally, Compaq
servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing... get some quotes
to see this price comparison.

Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform a 4 processor
Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a bit more
expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating environment scale way
beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will. Again... if you have
no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.

This can become a religious battle but remember the simple stuff. NT is 7
years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do O.S. and Data
Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are getting there.
If you care about security you will want to choose a mature solution as
well. There are security concerns around NT.
I realize not everyone wants to hear this.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jarl Groneng"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


> **
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Wilmot"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>
>
> > **
> >
> > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available. If you're doing
> > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
> >
> > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7 availability
> > choose UNIX.
>
> I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a company had a
> presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers, they handled
> ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>
> --
> Jarl Groneng
> jarl@nextra.com
>
> (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved in NT/UNIX and
> Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>
>
________________
_____________
>

> You may also control your subscription options, including UNSUBSCRIBE, at
www.ARSLIST.org
>

________________
_____________


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_____________


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I also have had very good service from NT 4 with no forced reboots in over two years of
use on a Dell server.

David <><

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:38:58 -0400
> From: "Crandall, David L"
> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Reply-to: "Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)"
>

> **
>
> I agree with the NT folks who've written. I've been running on NT4 SP6 for
> over a year without a reboot. As a matter of fact, until last Friday when I
> found the virus I reported, I hadn't even touched the keyboard in nearly 6
> months. (log checks, Remedy admin etc from workstation)
>
> Dave Crandall <><
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tyrone Dee [mailto:tyrone.dee@AMDOCS.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:18 PM
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>
>
> **
>
> I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000 Server very
> stable.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Wilmot [mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>
>
> **
>
> Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT administration. We
> see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive. Finally, Compaq
> servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing... get some quotes
> to see this price comparison.
>
> Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform a 4 processor
> Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a bit more
> expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating environment scale way
> beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will. Again... if you have
> no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.
>
> This can become a religious battle but remember the simple stuff. NT is 7
> years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do O.S. and Data
> Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are getting there.
> If you care about security you will want to choose a mature solution as
> well. There are security concerns around NT.
> I realize not everyone wants to hear this.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jarl Groneng"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>
>
> > **
> >
> > ---- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dave Wilmot"
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
> >
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available. If you're doing
> > > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
> > >
> > > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7 availability
> > > choose UNIX.
> >
> > I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a company had a
> > presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers, they handled
> > ten-thousands of tickets each day.
> >
> > --
> > Jarl Groneng
> > jarl@nextra.com
> >
> > (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved in NT/UNIX and
> > Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
> >
> >
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On a poorly administrated system that may be true, but with a properly
configured and maintained Windows 2000 box that is not really the case.

Price to performance is only one area that should be examined and even then
you need to remember to include long term costs. TPC capacity studies
(www.tpc.org) require that all cost calculations include TCO over (I think)
five years. You need to include the cost to set up the solution, the cost
of maintenance and parts replacement as well as the cost of the box and the
administration.

For some people UNIX is the right bet. With a long history of in house UNIX
support you can begin to leverage economies of scale and experience. For
companies with less experience (and/or less money) NT/2000 may be the right
bet.

At the end of the day whichever solution your people support is the right
one for you. I have worked with both 2000 and UNIX, both running Oracle,
and I can honestly say that I see both sides perspective. The two 2000
Servers cost a little bit less than the one UNIX box we used and preformed
about as well. The UNIX box did have a better uptime metric in the
beginning, but after some practice they seem to be very even.

I hate to say it but it really comes down to personal, or organizational,
preference.

Adam Pederson
Integrated Systems Developer 3
SBC DataComm
adam.pederson@sbc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Wilmot [mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:38 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT administration. We
see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive. Finally, Compaq
servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing... get some quotes
to see this price comparison.

Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform a 4 processor
Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a bit more
expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating environment scale way
beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will. Again... if you have
no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.

This can become a religious battle but remember the simple stuff. NT is 7
years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do O.S. and Data
Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are getting there.
If you care about security you will want to choose a mature solution as
well. There are security concerns around NT.
I realize not everyone wants to hear this.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jarl Groneng"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


> **
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Wilmot"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>
>
> > **
> >
> > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available. If you're doing
> > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
> >
> > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7 availability
> > choose UNIX.
>
> I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a company had a
> presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers, they handled
> ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>
> --
> Jarl Groneng
> jarl@nextra.com
>
> (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved in NT/UNIX and
> Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>
>
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>

> You may also control your subscription options, including UNSUBSCRIBE, at
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well I am not a unix guru neither NT, but I had to develop apps on ARS+HD
running on a sun solaris box, off all that I had heard of unix stability and
my admiration to unix was shattered mind you we have a very good set of unix
administrators, I had to restart the system quite a number of times, stop and
start ARS, ARS getting locked, RPC errors were quite common.

And contrast I have been running a NT 4 SP 4, for more than a year as PDC &
file server, due to some UPS problem the power would just go off and come back
this has happened more than a dozen times, NT is working fine. Compac prolaint
2000 with raid 5.

My understaindng...

Performance issues: can be handled by scalable hardware
Security: is your major concern it is a more or less dependent only on OS
eas of use: this is dependent on the skill set availabel
Scalability: this is very relative espcially when ther so many people
providing all kinds of solutions
cost: this is organisational issue

if we take these as a matrix I see NT figuring very prominently in last three
items Performance it is decent, about Security i think I am not the right
person to comment.

-AK

>===== Original Message From "Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)"
=====
>**
>
>I also have had very good service from NT 4 with no forced reboots in over
two years of
>use on a Dell server.
>
>David <><
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:38:58 -0400
>> From: "Crandall, David L"
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Reply-to: "Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)"
>>
>
>> **
>>
>> I agree with the NT folks who've written. I've been running on NT4 SP6 for
>> over a year without a reboot. As a matter of fact, until last Friday when
I
>> found the virus I reported, I hadn't even touched the keyboard in nearly 6
>> months. (log checks, Remedy admin etc from workstation)
>>
>> Dave Crandall <><
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tyrone Dee [mailto:tyrone.dee@AMDOCS.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:18 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000 Server very
>> stable.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Wilmot [mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT administration. We
>> see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive. Finally, Compaq
>> servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing... get some quotes
>> to see this price comparison.
>>
>> Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform a 4 processor
>> Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a bit more
>> expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating environment scale way
>> beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will. Again... if you have
>> no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.
>>
>> This can become a religious battle but remember the simple stuff. NT is 7
>> years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do O.S. and Data
>> Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are getting there.
>> If you care about security you will want to choose a mature solution as
>> well. There are security concerns around NT.
>> I realize not everyone wants to hear this.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jarl Groneng"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> > **
>> >
>> > ---- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Dave Wilmot"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> >
>> >
>> > > **
>> > >
>> > > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available. If you're doing
>> > > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
>> > >
>> > > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7 availability
>> > > choose UNIX.
>> >
>> > I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a company had a
>> > presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers, they handled
>> > ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jarl Groneng
>> > jarl@nextra.com
>> >
>> > (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved in NT/UNIX and
>> > Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>> >
>> >
>>
________________
>> _____________
>> >
>>
>> > You may also control your subscription options, including UNSUBSCRIBE, at
>> www.ARSLIST.org
>> >
>>
>>
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>> _____________
>>
>>
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>> www.ARSLIST.org
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>>
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>> _____________
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>
>David Morrison <><
>East Tennessee State University
>morrison@etsu.edu
>
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---------------------
Ajith Kumar Lakkur,
Consultant,
Crompton Greaves Ltd.
---------------------

_____________________________

PICK UP YOUR ARMS AND FOLLOW ME!!!!

NT Vs. Unix....(shades of that MAC argument I had the other day!).

:)

{sarcasm mode off}

Warren R. Baltimore II
Systems Manager - Remedy Development
The Ohio State University Medical Center
320 West 10th Avenue
A077 Starling Loving Hall
Columbus, OH 43210
614-293-2315
baltimore-1@medctr.osu.edu

>>> tyrone.dee@AMDOCS.COM 7/24/01 2:17:35 PM >>>
**

I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000 Server very
stable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Wilmot [ mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT administration. We
see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive. Finally, Compaq
servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing... get some quotes
to see this price comparison.

Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform a 4 processor
Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a bit more
expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating environment scale way
beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will. Again... if you have
no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.

This can become a religious battle but remember the simple stuff. NT is 7
years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do O.S. and Data
Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are getting there.
If you care about security you will want to choose a mature solution as
well. There are security concerns around NT.
I realize not everyone wants to hear this.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jarl Groneng"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


> **
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Wilmot"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>
>
> > **
> >
> > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available. If you're doing
> > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
> >
> > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7 availability
> > choose UNIX.
>
> I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a company had a
> presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers, they handled
> ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>
> --
> Jarl Groneng
> jarl@nextra.com
>
> (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved in NT/UNIX and
> Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>
>
________________
_____________
>

> You may also control your subscription options, including UNSUBSCRIBE, at
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>

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Don't forget Toto too !!

This is just to hilarious.

Friday we do political ideology and on Next Week when everyone is at RUG we
will discuss religious principals of the far East !!!

Egad...Gidd

-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM]On Behalf Of Warren Baltimore
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:03 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


TOO THE BARRICADES COMRADES!!!!

PICK UP YOUR ARMS AND FOLLOW ME!!!!

NT Vs. Unix....(shades of that MAC argument I had the other day!).

:)

{sarcasm mode off}

Warren R. Baltimore II
Systems Manager - Remedy Development
The Ohio State University Medical Center
320 West 10th Avenue
A077 Starling Loving Hall
Columbus, OH 43210
614-293-2315
baltimore-1@medctr.osu.edu

>>> tyrone.dee@AMDOCS.COM 7/24/01 2:17:35 PM >>>
**

I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000 Server very
stable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Wilmot [ mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT administration. We
see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive. Finally, Compaq
servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing... get some quotes
to see this price comparison.

Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform a 4 processor
Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a bit more
expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating environment scale way
beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will. Again... if you have
no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.

This can become a religious battle but remember the simple stuff. NT is 7
years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do O.S. and Data
Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are getting there.
If you care about security you will want to choose a mature solution as
well. There are security concerns around NT.
I realize not everyone wants to hear this.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jarl Groneng"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


> **
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Wilmot"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>
>
> > **
> >
> > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available. If you're doing
> > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
> >
> > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7 availability
> > choose UNIX.
>
> I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a company had a
> presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers, they handled
> ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>
> --
> Jarl Groneng
> jarl@nextra.com
>
> (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved in NT/UNIX and
> Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>
>
________________
_____________
>

> You may also control your subscription options, including UNSUBSCRIBE, at
www.ARSLIST.org
>

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Talking about AIX, for which I have very high respect, I must say that from
Remedy apps point of view it is the most unfortunate platform. I guess
because of relatively low nubmer of users bugs are found/cleaned last in
AIX.

Just me $0.02.

Nicky Madjarov
Intellico Solutions, Inc.

1507 Hermitage Pk. Dr.
Hermitage, TN 37076
Phone: (615) 883 7591
Mobil : (201) 747 8672
Pager: 2017478672@mobile.att.net
e-mail: nickym@intellicosolutions.net
http://www.intellicosolutions.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Morrison"
To:
Sent: 07/24/2001 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


> **
>
> I also have had very good service from NT 4 with no forced reboots in over
two years of
> use on a Dell server.
>
> David <><
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:38:58 -0400
> > From: "Crandall, David L"
> > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
> > To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> > Reply-to: "Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)"
> >
>
> > **
> >
> > I agree with the NT folks who've written. I've been running on NT4 SP6
for
> > over a year without a reboot. As a matter of fact, until last Friday
when I
> > found the virus I reported, I hadn't even touched the keyboard in nearly
6
> > months. (log checks, Remedy admin etc from workstation)
> >
> > Dave Crandall <><
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tyrone Dee [mailto:tyrone.dee@AMDOCS.COM]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:18 PM
> > To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
> >
> >
> > **
> >
> > I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000 Server very
> > stable.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Wilmot [mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
> > To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
> >
> >
> > **
> >
> > Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT administration.
We
> > see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive. Finally,
Compaq
> > servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing... get some
quotes
> > to see this price comparison.
> >
> > Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform a 4
processor
> > Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a bit more
> > expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating environment scale way
> > beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will. Again... if you
have
> > no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.
> >
> > This can become a religious battle but remember the simple stuff. NT is
7
> > years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do O.S. and
Data
> > Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are getting
there.
> > If you care about security you will want to choose a mature solution as
> > well. There are security concerns around NT.
> > I realize not everyone wants to hear this.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jarl Groneng"
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
> >
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > > ---- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dave Wilmot"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
> > >
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available. If you're
doing
> > > > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
> > > >
> > > > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7 availability
> > > > choose UNIX.
> > >
> > > I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a company had a
> > > presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers, they handled
> > > ten-thousands of tickets each day.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jarl Groneng
> > > jarl@nextra.com
> > >
> > > (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved in NT/UNIX
and
> > > Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
> > >
> > >
> >
________________
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> >
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> David Morrison <><
> East Tennessee State University
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>
>
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We're looking at this issue also.

Would people on Microsoft server OS's kindly reply to these questions?

OS/release? (NT, W2000)
Configuration? (clustered, replicating,...)
Processor(s)?
Memory?
Disk capacity, configuration?
Database size?
Max concurrent users?
Avg concurrent users during business hours?
Up time?
How often do you need to reboot?
Remedy applications (Help Desk, Asset Management, custom...)?
Satisfaction level?

Thanks,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ajith Kumar Lakkur [mailto:ajithkumar@MAILANDNEWS.COM]
Sent: July 24, 2001 10:50 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

well I am not a unix guru neither NT, but I had to develop apps on ARS+HD
running on a sun solaris box, off all that I had heard of unix stability and
my admiration to unix was shattered mind you we have a very good set of unix
administrators, I had to restart the system quite a number of times, stop
and
start ARS, ARS getting locked, RPC errors were quite common.

And contrast I have been running a NT 4 SP 4, for more than a year as PDC &
file server, due to some UPS problem the power would just go off and come
back
this has happened more than a dozen times, NT is working fine. Compac
prolaint
2000 with raid 5.

My understaindng...

Performance issues: can be handled by scalable hardware
Security: is your major concern it is a more or less dependent only on OS
eas of use: this is dependent on the skill set availabel
Scalability: this is very relative espcially when ther so many people
providing all kinds of solutions
cost: this is organisational issue

if we take these as a matrix I see NT figuring very prominently in last
three
items Performance it is decent, about Security i think I am not the right
person to comment.

-AK

>===== Original Message From "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
=====
>**
>
>I also have had very good service from NT 4 with no forced reboots in over
two years of
>use on a Dell server.
>
>David <><
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:38:58 -0400
>> From: "Crandall, David L"
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Reply-to: "Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)"
>>
>
>> **
>>
>> I agree with the NT folks who've written. I've been running on NT4 SP6
for
>> over a year without a reboot. As a matter of fact, until last Friday
when
I
>> found the virus I reported, I hadn't even touched the keyboard in nearly
6
>> months. (log checks, Remedy admin etc from workstation)
>>
>> Dave Crandall <><
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tyrone Dee [mailto:tyrone.dee@AMDOCS.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:18 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000 Server very
>> stable.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Wilmot [mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT administration.
We
>> see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive. Finally,
Compaq
>> servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing... get some
quotes
>> to see this price comparison.
>>
>> Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform a 4
processor
>> Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a bit more
>> expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating environment scale way
>> beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will. Again... if you
have
>> no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.
>>
>> This can become a religious battle but remember the simple stuff. NT is
7
>> years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do O.S. and Data
>> Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are getting
there.
>> If you care about security you will want to choose a mature solution as
>> well. There are security concerns around NT.
>> I realize not everyone wants to hear this.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jarl Groneng"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> > **
>> >
>> > ---- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Dave Wilmot"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> >
>> >
>> > > **
>> > >
>> > > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available. If you're
doing
>> > > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
>> > >
>> > > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7 availability
>> > > choose UNIX.
>> >
>> > I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a company had a
>> > presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers, they handled
>> > ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jarl Groneng
>> > jarl@nextra.com
>> >
>> > (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved in NT/UNIX
and
>> > Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>> >
>> >
>>
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settle it a little.

With the advent of Win2k, MS finally has, IMHO, an operating system that
will stay up longer than it takes to walk away from the server, without
having to have it really finely tuned (OK, NT 4 SP5+ wasn't bad,
either). Both UNIX and NT will work fine (I've worked much on both) if
properly configured, and will crash a lot if they aren't.

So the only real issue I see any more is that of scalability. UNIX is
still (again, IMHO) the only real solution for a very large (we're
talking General Motors large) Remedy implementation. Most of the rest
of us should use whichever can be the better supported, and therefore
the more accurately configured, at our installation.

Rick Cook
Remedy Consultant
Herrick Douglass

-----Original Message-----
From: O'Hara, Jim
Sent: Thu 7/26/2001 9:26 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?



**

We're looking at this issue also.

Would people on Microsoft server OS's kindly reply to these
questions?

OS/release? (NT, W2000)
Configuration? (clustered, replicating,...)
Processor(s)?
Memory?
Disk capacity, configuration?
Database size?
Max concurrent users?
Avg concurrent users during business hours?
Up time?
How often do you need to reboot?
Remedy applications (Help Desk, Asset Management, custom...)?
Satisfaction level?

Thanks,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ajith Kumar Lakkur [ mailto:ajithkumar@MAILANDNEWS.COM]
Sent: July 24, 2001 10:50 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

well I am not a unix guru neither NT, but I had to develop apps
on ARS+HD
running on a sun solaris box, off all that I had heard of unix
stability and
my admiration to unix was shattered mind you we have a very good
set of unix
administrators, I had to restart the system quite a number of
times, stop
and
start ARS, ARS getting locked, RPC errors were quite common.

And contrast I have been running a NT 4 SP 4, for more than a
year as PDC &
file server, due to some UPS problem the power would just go off
and come
back
this has happened more than a dozen times, NT is working fine.
Compac
prolaint
2000 with raid 5.

My understaindng...

Performance issues: can be handled by scalable hardware
Security: is your major concern it is a more or less dependent
only on OS
eas of use: this is dependent on the skill set availabel
Scalability: this is very relative espcially when ther so many
people
providing all kinds of solutions
cost: this is organisational issue

if we take these as a matrix I see NT figuring very prominently
in last
three
items Performance it is decent, about Security i think I am not
the right
person to comment.

-AK

>===== Original Message From "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
=====
>**
>
>I also have had very good service from NT 4 with no forced
reboots in over
two years of
>use on a Dell server.
>
>David <><
>

>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++
>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:38:58 -0400
>> From: "Crandall, David L"

>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Reply-to: "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
>>
>
>> **
>>
>> I agree with the NT folks who've written. I've been running
on NT4 SP6
for
>> over a year without a reboot. As a matter of fact, until
last Friday
when
I
>> found the virus I reported, I hadn't even touched the
keyboard in nearly
6
>> months. (log checks, Remedy admin etc from workstation)
>>
>> Dave Crandall <><
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tyrone Dee [ mailto:tyrone.dee@AMDOCS.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:18 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000
Server very
>> stable.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Wilmot [ mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT
administration.
We
>> see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive.
Finally,
Compaq
>> servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing...
get some
quotes
>> to see this price comparison.
>>
>> Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform
a 4
processor
>> Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a
bit more
>> expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating
environment scale way
>> beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will.
Again... if you
have
>> no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.
>>
>> This can become a religious battle but remember the simple
stuff. NT is
7
>> years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do
O.S. and Data
>> Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are
getting
there.
>> If you care about security you will want to choose a mature
solution as
>> well. There are security concerns around NT.
>> I realize not everyone wants to hear this.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jarl Groneng"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> > **
>> >
>> > ---- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Dave Wilmot"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> >
>> >
>> > > **
>> > >
>> > > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available.
If you're
doing
>> > > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
>> > >
>> > > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7
availability
>> > > choose UNIX.
>> >
>> > I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a
company had a
>> > presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers,
they handled
>> > ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jarl Groneng
>> > jarl@nextra.com
>> >
>> > (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved
in NT/UNIX
and
>> > Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>> >
>> >
>>

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>> _____________
>> >
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>> >
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>East Tennessee State University
>morrison@etsu.edu
>

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____________
>

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---------------------
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Consultant,
Crompton Greaves Ltd.
---------------------


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Rick,

Here we go again,


I take no offense to any of the responses either side.

My question is simple, Microsoft has a web site dedicated to showing the
world that MS SQL is world-class with support for huge terabyte databases.

i.e.: Article from Microsoft's web site:
http://newscenter.verizon.com/proactive/newsroom/release.vtml?id=56629

Verizon:

Platform Supporting Customer Service and Web Sales Linked as 9-Terabyte Database; Cuts Transaction Time By Consolidating Access to Records

MY QUESTION, what kind of boxes do you think they are using?

Regards...Gidd



-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM]On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:44 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


Rather than perpetuate the jihad between MS and UNIX, I'll attempt to
settle it a little.

With the advent of Win2k, MS finally has, IMHO, an operating system that
will stay up longer than it takes to walk away from the server, without
having to have it really finely tuned (OK, NT 4 SP5+ wasn't bad,
either). Both UNIX and NT will work fine (I've worked much on both) if
properly configured, and will crash a lot if they aren't.

So the only real issue I see any more is that of scalability. UNIX is
still (again, IMHO) the only real solution for a very large (we're
talking General Motors large) Remedy implementation. Most of the rest
of us should use whichever can be the better supported, and therefore
the more accurately configured, at our installation.

Rick Cook
Remedy Consultant
Herrick Douglass

-----Original Message-----
From: O'Hara, Jim
Sent: Thu 7/26/2001 9:26 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?



**

We're looking at this issue also.

Would people on Microsoft server OS's kindly reply to these
questions?

OS/release? (NT, W2000)
Configuration? (clustered, replicating,...)
Processor(s)?
Memory?
Disk capacity, configuration?
Database size?
Max concurrent users?
Avg concurrent users during business hours?
Up time?
How often do you need to reboot?
Remedy applications (Help Desk, Asset Management, custom...)?
Satisfaction level?

Thanks,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ajith Kumar Lakkur [ mailto:ajithkumar@MAILANDNEWS.COM]
Sent: July 24, 2001 10:50 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

well I am not a unix guru neither NT, but I had to develop apps
on ARS+HD
running on a sun solaris box, off all that I had heard of unix
stability and
my admiration to unix was shattered mind you we have a very good
set of unix
administrators, I had to restart the system quite a number of
times, stop
and
start ARS, ARS getting locked, RPC errors were quite common.

And contrast I have been running a NT 4 SP 4, for more than a
year as PDC &
file server, due to some UPS problem the power would just go off
and come
back
this has happened more than a dozen times, NT is working fine.
Compac
prolaint
2000 with raid 5.

My understaindng...

Performance issues: can be handled by scalable hardware
Security: is your major concern it is a more or less dependent
only on OS
eas of use: this is dependent on the skill set availabel
Scalability: this is very relative espcially when ther so many
people
providing all kinds of solutions
cost: this is organisational issue

if we take these as a matrix I see NT figuring very prominently
in last
three
items Performance it is decent, about Security i think I am not
the right
person to comment.

-AK

>===== Original Message From "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
=====
>**
>
>I also have had very good service from NT 4 with no forced
reboots in over
two years of
>use on a Dell server.
>
>David <><
>

>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++
>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:38:58 -0400
>> From: "Crandall, David L"

>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Reply-to: "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
>>
>
>> **
>>
>> I agree with the NT folks who've written. I've been running
on NT4 SP6
for
>> over a year without a reboot. As a matter of fact, until
last Friday
when
I
>> found the virus I reported, I hadn't even touched the
keyboard in nearly
6
>> months. (log checks, Remedy admin etc from workstation)
>>
>> Dave Crandall <><
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tyrone Dee [ mailto:tyrone.dee@AMDOCS.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:18 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000
Server very
>> stable.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Wilmot [ mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT
administration.
We
>> see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive.
Finally,
Compaq
>> servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing...
get some
quotes
>> to see this price comparison.
>>
>> Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform
a 4
processor
>> Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a
bit more
>> expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating
environment scale way
>> beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will.
Again... if you
have
>> no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.
>>
>> This can become a religious battle but remember the simple
stuff. NT is
7
>> years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do
O.S. and Data
>> Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are
getting
there.
>> If you care about security you will want to choose a mature
solution as
>> well. There are security concerns around NT.
>> I realize not everyone wants to hear this.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jarl Groneng"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> > **
>> >
>> > ---- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Dave Wilmot"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> >
>> >
>> > > **
>> > >
>> > > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available.
If you're
doing
>> > > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
>> > >
>> > > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7
availability
>> > > choose UNIX.
>> >
>> > I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a
company had a
>> > presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers,
they handled
>> > ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jarl Groneng
>> > jarl@nextra.com
>> >
>> > (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved
in NT/UNIX
and
>> > Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>> >
>> >
>>

____________
____
>> _____________
>> >
>>
>> > You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE,
at
>> www.ARSLIST.org
>> >
>>
>>

____________
____
>> _____________
>>
>>
>> You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
>> www.ARSLIST.org
>>
>>

____________
____
>> _____________
>>
>>
>> You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
>> www.ARSLIST.org
>>
>>

____________
____
__
___________
>>

>> You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
www.ARSLIST.org
>>
>
>David Morrison <><
>East Tennessee State University
>morrison@etsu.edu
>

>___________
____
__
____________
>

>You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
www.ARSLIST.org

---------------------
Ajith Kumar Lakkur,
Consultant,
Crompton Greaves Ltd.
---------------------


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_____________________________

You could check out tpc.org and look at the situations there. Everyone who
submits a project for consideration needs to include a full disclosure
report that can be very valuable. Have a look.

Adam Pederson

-----Original Message-----
From: Gidd@Home.COM [mailto:gidd@HOME.COM]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:27 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

Rick,

Here we go again,


I take no offense to any of the responses either side.

My question is simple, Microsoft has a web site dedicated to showing the
world that MS SQL is world-class with support for huge terabyte databases.

i.e.: Article from Microsoft's web site:
http://newscenter.verizon.com/proactive/newsroom/release.vtml?id=56629

Verizon:

Platform Supporting Customer Service and Web Sales Linked as 9-Terabyte
Database; Cuts Transaction Time By Consolidating Access to Records

MY QUESTION, what kind of boxes do you think they are using?

Regards...Gidd



-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM]On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:44 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


Rather than perpetuate the jihad between MS and UNIX, I'll attempt to
settle it a little.

With the advent of Win2k, MS finally has, IMHO, an operating system that
will stay up longer than it takes to walk away from the server, without
having to have it really finely tuned (OK, NT 4 SP5+ wasn't bad,
either). Both UNIX and NT will work fine (I've worked much on both) if
properly configured, and will crash a lot if they aren't.

So the only real issue I see any more is that of scalability. UNIX is
still (again, IMHO) the only real solution for a very large (we're
talking General Motors large) Remedy implementation. Most of the rest
of us should use whichever can be the better supported, and therefore
the more accurately configured, at our installation.

Rick Cook
Remedy Consultant
Herrick Douglass

-----Original Message-----
From: O'Hara, Jim
Sent: Thu 7/26/2001 9:26 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?



**

We're looking at this issue also.

Would people on Microsoft server OS's kindly reply to these
questions?

OS/release? (NT, W2000)
Configuration? (clustered, replicating,...)
Processor(s)?
Memory?
Disk capacity, configuration?
Database size?
Max concurrent users?
Avg concurrent users during business hours?
Up time?
How often do you need to reboot?
Remedy applications (Help Desk, Asset Management, custom...)?
Satisfaction level?

Thanks,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ajith Kumar Lakkur [ mailto:ajithkumar@MAILANDNEWS.COM]
Sent: July 24, 2001 10:50 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

well I am not a unix guru neither NT, but I had to develop apps
on ARS+HD
running on a sun solaris box, off all that I had heard of unix
stability and
my admiration to unix was shattered mind you we have a very good
set of unix
administrators, I had to restart the system quite a number of
times, stop
and
start ARS, ARS getting locked, RPC errors were quite common.

And contrast I have been running a NT 4 SP 4, for more than a
year as PDC &
file server, due to some UPS problem the power would just go off
and come
back
this has happened more than a dozen times, NT is working fine.
Compac
prolaint
2000 with raid 5.

My understaindng...

Performance issues: can be handled by scalable hardware
Security: is your major concern it is a more or less dependent
only on OS
eas of use: this is dependent on the skill set availabel
Scalability: this is very relative espcially when ther so many
people
providing all kinds of solutions
cost: this is organisational issue

if we take these as a matrix I see NT figuring very prominently
in last
three
items Performance it is decent, about Security i think I am not
the right
person to comment.

-AK

>===== Original Message From "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
=====
>**
>
>I also have had very good service from NT 4 with no forced
reboots in over
two years of
>use on a Dell server.
>
>David <><
>

>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++
>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:38:58 -0400
>> From: "Crandall, David L"

>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Reply-to: "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
>>
>
>> **
>>
>> I agree with the NT folks who've written. I've been running
on NT4 SP6
for
>> over a year without a reboot. As a matter of fact, until
last Friday
when
I
>> found the virus I reported, I hadn't even touched the
keyboard in nearly
6
>> months. (log checks, Remedy admin etc from workstation)
>>
>> Dave Crandall <><
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tyrone Dee [ mailto:tyrone.dee@AMDOCS.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:18 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000
Server very
>> stable.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Wilmot [ mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT
administration.
We
>> see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive.
Finally,
Compaq
>> servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing...
get some
quotes
>> to see this price comparison.
>>
>> Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform
a 4
processor
>> Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a
bit more
>> expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating
environment scale way
>> beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will.
Again... if you
have
>> no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.
>>
>> This can become a religious battle but remember the simple
stuff. NT is
7
>> years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do
O.S. and Data
>> Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are
getting
there.
>> If you care about security you will want to choose a mature
solution as
>> well. There are security concerns around NT.
>> I realize not everyone wants to hear this.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jarl Groneng"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> > **
>> >
>> > ---- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Dave Wilmot"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> >
>> >
>> > > **
>> > >
>> > > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available.
If you're
doing
>> > > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
>> > >
>> > > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7
availability
>> > > choose UNIX.
>> >
>> > I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a
company had a
>> > presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers,
they handled
>> > ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jarl Groneng
>> > jarl@nextra.com
>> >
>> > (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved
in NT/UNIX
and
>> > Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>> >
>> >
>>

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I guess my humor is lost, there is no real point to my post.

BTW, didn't IBM just steal the tpc award from MS/Oracle with
their latest release of DB2 ? Should it be DB2.xx ????



Regards...Gidd


-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM]On Behalf Of PEDERSON, ADAM (PB)
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:55 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

You could check out tpc.org and look at the situations there. Everyone who
submits a project for consideration needs to include a full disclosure
report that can be very valuable. Have a look.

Adam Pederson

-----Original Message-----
From: Gidd@Home.COM [mailto:gidd@HOME.COM]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:27 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

Rick,

Here we go again,


I take no offense to any of the responses either side.

My question is simple, Microsoft has a web site dedicated to showing the
world that MS SQL is world-class with support for huge terabyte databases.

i.e.: Article from Microsoft's web site:
http://newscenter.verizon.com/proactive/newsroom/release.vtml?id=56629

Verizon:

Platform Supporting Customer Service and Web Sales Linked as 9-Terabyte
Database; Cuts Transaction Time By Consolidating Access to Records

MY QUESTION, what kind of boxes do you think they are using?

Regards...Gidd



-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM]On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:44 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


Rather than perpetuate the jihad between MS and UNIX, I'll attempt to
settle it a little.

With the advent of Win2k, MS finally has, IMHO, an operating system that
will stay up longer than it takes to walk away from the server, without
having to have it really finely tuned (OK, NT 4 SP5+ wasn't bad,
either). Both UNIX and NT will work fine (I've worked much on both) if
properly configured, and will crash a lot if they aren't.

So the only real issue I see any more is that of scalability. UNIX is
still (again, IMHO) the only real solution for a very large (we're
talking General Motors large) Remedy implementation. Most of the rest
of us should use whichever can be the better supported, and therefore
the more accurately configured, at our installation.

Rick Cook
Remedy Consultant
Herrick Douglass

-----Original Message-----
From: O'Hara, Jim
Sent: Thu 7/26/2001 9:26 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?



**

We're looking at this issue also.

Would people on Microsoft server OS's kindly reply to these
questions?

OS/release? (NT, W2000)
Configuration? (clustered, replicating,...)
Processor(s)?
Memory?
Disk capacity, configuration?
Database size?
Max concurrent users?
Avg concurrent users during business hours?
Up time?
How often do you need to reboot?
Remedy applications (Help Desk, Asset Management, custom...)?
Satisfaction level?

Thanks,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ajith Kumar Lakkur [ mailto:ajithkumar@MAILANDNEWS.COM]
Sent: July 24, 2001 10:50 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

well I am not a unix guru neither NT, but I had to develop apps
on ARS+HD
running on a sun solaris box, off all that I had heard of unix
stability and
my admiration to unix was shattered mind you we have a very good
set of unix
administrators, I had to restart the system quite a number of
times, stop
and
start ARS, ARS getting locked, RPC errors were quite common.

And contrast I have been running a NT 4 SP 4, for more than a
year as PDC &
file server, due to some UPS problem the power would just go off
and come
back
this has happened more than a dozen times, NT is working fine.
Compac
prolaint
2000 with raid 5.

My understaindng...

Performance issues: can be handled by scalable hardware
Security: is your major concern it is a more or less dependent
only on OS
eas of use: this is dependent on the skill set availabel
Scalability: this is very relative espcially when ther so many
people
providing all kinds of solutions
cost: this is organisational issue

if we take these as a matrix I see NT figuring very prominently
in last
three
items Performance it is decent, about Security i think I am not
the right
person to comment.

-AK

>===== Original Message From "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
=====
>**
>
>I also have had very good service from NT 4 with no forced
reboots in over
two years of
>use on a Dell server.
>
>David <><
>

>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++
>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:38:58 -0400
>> From: "Crandall, David L"

>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Reply-to: "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
>>
>
>> **
>>
>> I agree with the NT folks who've written. I've been running
on NT4 SP6
for
>> over a year without a reboot. As a matter of fact, until
last Friday
when
I
>> found the virus I reported, I hadn't even touched the
keyboard in nearly
6
>> months. (log checks, Remedy admin etc from workstation)
>>
>> Dave Crandall <><
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tyrone Dee [ mailto:tyrone.dee@AMDOCS.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:18 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000
Server very
>> stable.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Wilmot [ mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT
administration.
We
>> see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive.
Finally,
Compaq
>> servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing...
get some
quotes
>> to see this price comparison.
>>
>> Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform
a 4
processor
>> Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a
bit more
>> expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating
environment scale way
>> beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will.
Again... if you
have
>> no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.
>>
>> This can become a religious battle but remember the simple
stuff. NT is
7
>> years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do
O.S. and Data
>> Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are
getting
there.
>> If you care about security you will want to choose a mature
solution as
>> well. There are security concerns around NT.
>> I realize not everyone wants to hear this.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jarl Groneng"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> > **
>> >
>> > ---- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Dave Wilmot"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> >
>> >
>> > > **
>> > >
>> > > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available.
If you're
doing
>> > > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
>> > >
>> > > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7
availability
>> > > choose UNIX.
>> >
>> > I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a
company had a
>> > presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers,
they handled
>> > ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jarl Groneng
>> > jarl@nextra.com
>> >
>> > (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved
in NT/UNIX
and
>> > Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>> >
>> >
>>

____________
____
>> _____________
>> >
>>
>> > You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE,
at
>> www.ARSLIST.org
>> >
>>
>>

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____
>> _____________
>>
>>
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>> www.ARSLIST.org
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>>

____________
____
>> _____________
>>
>>
>> You may also control your subscription options, including
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>> www.ARSLIST.org
>>
>>

____________
____
__
___________
>>

>> You may also control your subscription options, including
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>>
>
>David Morrison <><
>East Tennessee State University
>morrison@etsu.edu
>

>___________
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____________
>

>You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
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---------------------
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Consultant,
Crompton Greaves Ltd.
---------------------


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They did, and you should see the report on it. They did some really amazing
things to take that power title away from MS.

Adam

-----Original Message-----
From: Gidd@Home.COM [mailto:gidd@HOME.COM]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 1:12 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

Adam,

I guess my humor is lost, there is no real point to my post.

BTW, didn't IBM just steal the tpc award from MS/Oracle with
their latest release of DB2 ? Should it be DB2.xx ????



Regards...Gidd


-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM]On Behalf Of PEDERSON, ADAM (PB)
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:55 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

You could check out tpc.org and look at the situations there. Everyone who
submits a project for consideration needs to include a full disclosure
report that can be very valuable. Have a look.

Adam Pederson

-----Original Message-----
From: Gidd@Home.COM [mailto:gidd@HOME.COM]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:27 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

Rick,

Here we go again,


I take no offense to any of the responses either side.

My question is simple, Microsoft has a web site dedicated to showing the
world that MS SQL is world-class with support for huge terabyte databases.

i.e.: Article from Microsoft's web site:
http://newscenter.verizon.com/proactive/newsroom/release.vtml?id=56629

Verizon:

Platform Supporting Customer Service and Web Sales Linked as 9-Terabyte
Database; Cuts Transaction Time By Consolidating Access to Records

MY QUESTION, what kind of boxes do you think they are using?

Regards...Gidd



-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM]On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:44 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


Rather than perpetuate the jihad between MS and UNIX, I'll attempt to
settle it a little.

With the advent of Win2k, MS finally has, IMHO, an operating system that
will stay up longer than it takes to walk away from the server, without
having to have it really finely tuned (OK, NT 4 SP5+ wasn't bad,
either). Both UNIX and NT will work fine (I've worked much on both) if
properly configured, and will crash a lot if they aren't.

So the only real issue I see any more is that of scalability. UNIX is
still (again, IMHO) the only real solution for a very large (we're
talking General Motors large) Remedy implementation. Most of the rest
of us should use whichever can be the better supported, and therefore
the more accurately configured, at our installation.

Rick Cook
Remedy Consultant
Herrick Douglass

-----Original Message-----
From: O'Hara, Jim
Sent: Thu 7/26/2001 9:26 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?



**

We're looking at this issue also.

Would people on Microsoft server OS's kindly reply to these
questions?

OS/release? (NT, W2000)
Configuration? (clustered, replicating,...)
Processor(s)?
Memory?
Disk capacity, configuration?
Database size?
Max concurrent users?
Avg concurrent users during business hours?
Up time?
How often do you need to reboot?
Remedy applications (Help Desk, Asset Management, custom...)?
Satisfaction level?

Thanks,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ajith Kumar Lakkur [ mailto:ajithkumar@MAILANDNEWS.COM]
Sent: July 24, 2001 10:50 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

well I am not a unix guru neither NT, but I had to develop apps
on ARS+HD
running on a sun solaris box, off all that I had heard of unix
stability and
my admiration to unix was shattered mind you we have a very good
set of unix
administrators, I had to restart the system quite a number of
times, stop
and
start ARS, ARS getting locked, RPC errors were quite common.

And contrast I have been running a NT 4 SP 4, for more than a
year as PDC &
file server, due to some UPS problem the power would just go off
and come
back
this has happened more than a dozen times, NT is working fine.
Compac
prolaint
2000 with raid 5.

My understaindng...

Performance issues: can be handled by scalable hardware
Security: is your major concern it is a more or less dependent
only on OS
eas of use: this is dependent on the skill set availabel
Scalability: this is very relative espcially when ther so many
people
providing all kinds of solutions
cost: this is organisational issue

if we take these as a matrix I see NT figuring very prominently
in last
three
items Performance it is decent, about Security i think I am not
the right
person to comment.

-AK

>===== Original Message From "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
=====
>**
>
>I also have had very good service from NT 4 with no forced
reboots in over
two years of
>use on a Dell server.
>
>David <><
>

>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++
>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:38:58 -0400
>> From: "Crandall, David L"

>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Reply-to: "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
>>
>
>> **
>>
>> I agree with the NT folks who've written. I've been running
on NT4 SP6
for
>> over a year without a reboot. As a matter of fact, until
last Friday
when
I
>> found the virus I reported, I hadn't even touched the
keyboard in nearly
6
>> months. (log checks, Remedy admin etc from workstation)
>>
>> Dave Crandall <><
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tyrone Dee [ mailto:tyrone.dee@AMDOCS.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:18 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000
Server very
>> stable.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Wilmot [ mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT
administration.
We
>> see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive.
Finally,
Compaq
>> servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing...
get some
quotes
>> to see this price comparison.
>>
>> Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform
a 4
processor
>> Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a
bit more
>> expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating
environment scale way
>> beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will.
Again... if you
have
>> no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.
>>
>> This can become a religious battle but remember the simple
stuff. NT is
7
>> years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do
O.S. and Data
>> Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are
getting
there.
>> If you care about security you will want to choose a mature
solution as
>> well. There are security concerns around NT.
>> I realize not everyone wants to hear this.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jarl Groneng"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> > **
>> >
>> > ---- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Dave Wilmot"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> >
>> >
>> > > **
>> > >
>> > > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available.
If you're
doing
>> > > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
>> > >
>> > > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7
availability
>> > > choose UNIX.
>> >
>> > I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a
company had a
>> > presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers,
they handled
>> > ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jarl Groneng
>> > jarl@nextra.com
>> >
>> > (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved
in NT/UNIX
and
>> > Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>> >
>> >
>>

____________
____
>> _____________
>> >
>>
>> > You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE,
at
>> www.ARSLIST.org
>> >
>>
>>

____________
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>> _____________
>>
>>
>> You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
>> www.ARSLIST.org
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>>

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____
>> _____________
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>> You may also control your subscription options, including
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___________
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>> You may also control your subscription options, including
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>David Morrison <><
>East Tennessee State University
>morrison@etsu.edu
>

>___________
____
__
____________
>

>You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
www.ARSLIST.org

---------------------
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Consultant,
Crompton Greaves Ltd.
---------------------


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