We're looking at this issue also.

Would people on Microsoft server OS's kindly reply to these questions?

OS/release? (NT, W2000)
Configuration? (clustered, replicating,...)
Processor(s)?
Memory?
Disk capacity, configuration?
Database size?
Max concurrent users?
Avg concurrent users during business hours?
Up time?
How often do you need to reboot?
Remedy applications (Help Desk, Asset Management, custom...)?
Satisfaction level?

Thanks,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ajith Kumar Lakkur [mailto:ajithkumar@MAILANDNEWS.COM]
Sent: July 24, 2001 10:50 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

well I am not a unix guru neither NT, but I had to develop apps on ARS+HD
running on a sun solaris box, off all that I had heard of unix stability and
my admiration to unix was shattered mind you we have a very good set of unix
administrators, I had to restart the system quite a number of times, stop
and
start ARS, ARS getting locked, RPC errors were quite common.

And contrast I have been running a NT 4 SP 4, for more than a year as PDC &
file server, due to some UPS problem the power would just go off and come
back
this has happened more than a dozen times, NT is working fine. Compac
prolaint
2000 with raid 5.

My understaindng...

Performance issues: can be handled by scalable hardware
Security: is your major concern it is a more or less dependent only on OS
eas of use: this is dependent on the skill set availabel
Scalability: this is very relative espcially when ther so many people
providing all kinds of solutions
cost: this is organisational issue

if we take these as a matrix I see NT figuring very prominently in last
three
items Performance it is decent, about Security i think I am not the right
person to comment.

-AK

>===== Original Message From "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
=====
>**
>
>I also have had very good service from NT 4 with no forced reboots in over
two years of
>use on a Dell server.
>
>David <><
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:38:58 -0400
>> From: "Crandall, David L"
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Reply-to: "Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)"
>>
>
>> **
>>
>> I agree with the NT folks who've written. I've been running on NT4 SP6
for
>> over a year without a reboot. As a matter of fact, until last Friday
when
I
>> found the virus I reported, I hadn't even touched the keyboard in nearly
6
>> months. (log checks, Remedy admin etc from workstation)
>>
>> Dave Crandall <><
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tyrone Dee [mailto:tyrone.dee@AMDOCS.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:18 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000 Server very
>> stable.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Wilmot [mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT administration.
We
>> see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive. Finally,
Compaq
>> servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing... get some
quotes
>> to see this price comparison.
>>
>> Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform a 4
processor
>> Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a bit more
>> expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating environment scale way
>> beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will. Again... if you
have
>> no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.
>>
>> This can become a religious battle but remember the simple stuff. NT is
7
>> years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do O.S. and Data
>> Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are getting
there.
>> If you care about security you will want to choose a mature solution as
>> well. There are security concerns around NT.
>> I realize not everyone wants to hear this.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jarl Groneng"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> > **
>> >
>> > ---- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Dave Wilmot"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> >
>> >
>> > > **
>> > >
>> > > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available. If you're
doing
>> > > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
>> > >
>> > > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7 availability
>> > > choose UNIX.
>> >
>> > I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a company had a
>> > presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers, they handled
>> > ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jarl Groneng
>> > jarl@nextra.com
>> >
>> > (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved in NT/UNIX
and
>> > Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>> >
>> >
>>
________________
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at
>> www.ARSLIST.org
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>morrison@etsu.edu
>
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settle it a little.

With the advent of Win2k, MS finally has, IMHO, an operating system that
will stay up longer than it takes to walk away from the server, without
having to have it really finely tuned (OK, NT 4 SP5+ wasn't bad,
either). Both UNIX and NT will work fine (I've worked much on both) if
properly configured, and will crash a lot if they aren't.

So the only real issue I see any more is that of scalability. UNIX is
still (again, IMHO) the only real solution for a very large (we're
talking General Motors large) Remedy implementation. Most of the rest
of us should use whichever can be the better supported, and therefore
the more accurately configured, at our installation.

Rick Cook
Remedy Consultant
Herrick Douglass

-----Original Message-----
From: O'Hara, Jim
Sent: Thu 7/26/2001 9:26 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?



**

We're looking at this issue also.

Would people on Microsoft server OS's kindly reply to these
questions?

OS/release? (NT, W2000)
Configuration? (clustered, replicating,...)
Processor(s)?
Memory?
Disk capacity, configuration?
Database size?
Max concurrent users?
Avg concurrent users during business hours?
Up time?
How often do you need to reboot?
Remedy applications (Help Desk, Asset Management, custom...)?
Satisfaction level?

Thanks,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ajith Kumar Lakkur [ mailto:ajithkumar@MAILANDNEWS.COM]
Sent: July 24, 2001 10:50 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

well I am not a unix guru neither NT, but I had to develop apps
on ARS+HD
running on a sun solaris box, off all that I had heard of unix
stability and
my admiration to unix was shattered mind you we have a very good
set of unix
administrators, I had to restart the system quite a number of
times, stop
and
start ARS, ARS getting locked, RPC errors were quite common.

And contrast I have been running a NT 4 SP 4, for more than a
year as PDC &
file server, due to some UPS problem the power would just go off
and come
back
this has happened more than a dozen times, NT is working fine.
Compac
prolaint
2000 with raid 5.

My understaindng...

Performance issues: can be handled by scalable hardware
Security: is your major concern it is a more or less dependent
only on OS
eas of use: this is dependent on the skill set availabel
Scalability: this is very relative espcially when ther so many
people
providing all kinds of solutions
cost: this is organisational issue

if we take these as a matrix I see NT figuring very prominently
in last
three
items Performance it is decent, about Security i think I am not
the right
person to comment.

-AK

>===== Original Message From "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
=====
>**
>
>I also have had very good service from NT 4 with no forced
reboots in over
two years of
>use on a Dell server.
>
>David <><
>

>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++
>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:38:58 -0400
>> From: "Crandall, David L"

>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Reply-to: "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
>>
>
>> **
>>
>> I agree with the NT folks who've written. I've been running
on NT4 SP6
for
>> over a year without a reboot. As a matter of fact, until
last Friday
when
I
>> found the virus I reported, I hadn't even touched the
keyboard in nearly
6
>> months. (log checks, Remedy admin etc from workstation)
>>
>> Dave Crandall <><
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tyrone Dee [ mailto:tyrone.dee@AMDOCS.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:18 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000
Server very
>> stable.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Wilmot [ mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT
administration.
We
>> see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive.
Finally,
Compaq
>> servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing...
get some
quotes
>> to see this price comparison.
>>
>> Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform
a 4
processor
>> Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a
bit more
>> expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating
environment scale way
>> beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will.
Again... if you
have
>> no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.
>>
>> This can become a religious battle but remember the simple
stuff. NT is
7
>> years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do
O.S. and Data
>> Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are
getting
there.
>> If you care about security you will want to choose a mature
solution as
>> well. There are security concerns around NT.
>> I realize not everyone wants to hear this.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jarl Groneng"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> > **
>> >
>> > ---- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Dave Wilmot"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> >
>> >
>> > > **
>> > >
>> > > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available.
If you're
doing
>> > > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
>> > >
>> > > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7
availability
>> > > choose UNIX.
>> >
>> > I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a
company had a
>> > presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers,
they handled
>> > ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jarl Groneng
>> > jarl@nextra.com
>> >
>> > (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved
in NT/UNIX
and
>> > Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>> >
>> >
>>

____________
____
>> _____________
>> >
>>
>> > You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE,
at
>> www.ARSLIST.org
>> >
>>
>>

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>> You may also control your subscription options, including
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>>
>>

____________
____
>> _____________
>>
>>
>> You may also control your subscription options, including
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____________
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>>

>> You may also control your subscription options, including
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>
>David Morrison <><
>East Tennessee State University
>morrison@etsu.edu
>

>___________
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__
____________
>

>You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
www.ARSLIST.org

---------------------
Ajith Kumar Lakkur,
Consultant,
Crompton Greaves Ltd.
---------------------


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Rick,

Here we go again,


I take no offense to any of the responses either side.

My question is simple, Microsoft has a web site dedicated to showing the
world that MS SQL is world-class with support for huge terabyte databases.

i.e.: Article from Microsoft's web site:
http://newscenter.verizon.com/proactive/newsroom/release.vtml?id=56629

Verizon:

Platform Supporting Customer Service and Web Sales Linked as 9-Terabyte Database; Cuts Transaction Time By Consolidating Access to Records

MY QUESTION, what kind of boxes do you think they are using?

Regards...Gidd



-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM]On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:44 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


Rather than perpetuate the jihad between MS and UNIX, I'll attempt to
settle it a little.

With the advent of Win2k, MS finally has, IMHO, an operating system that
will stay up longer than it takes to walk away from the server, without
having to have it really finely tuned (OK, NT 4 SP5+ wasn't bad,
either). Both UNIX and NT will work fine (I've worked much on both) if
properly configured, and will crash a lot if they aren't.

So the only real issue I see any more is that of scalability. UNIX is
still (again, IMHO) the only real solution for a very large (we're
talking General Motors large) Remedy implementation. Most of the rest
of us should use whichever can be the better supported, and therefore
the more accurately configured, at our installation.

Rick Cook
Remedy Consultant
Herrick Douglass

-----Original Message-----
From: O'Hara, Jim
Sent: Thu 7/26/2001 9:26 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?



**

We're looking at this issue also.

Would people on Microsoft server OS's kindly reply to these
questions?

OS/release? (NT, W2000)
Configuration? (clustered, replicating,...)
Processor(s)?
Memory?
Disk capacity, configuration?
Database size?
Max concurrent users?
Avg concurrent users during business hours?
Up time?
How often do you need to reboot?
Remedy applications (Help Desk, Asset Management, custom...)?
Satisfaction level?

Thanks,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ajith Kumar Lakkur [ mailto:ajithkumar@MAILANDNEWS.COM]
Sent: July 24, 2001 10:50 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

well I am not a unix guru neither NT, but I had to develop apps
on ARS+HD
running on a sun solaris box, off all that I had heard of unix
stability and
my admiration to unix was shattered mind you we have a very good
set of unix
administrators, I had to restart the system quite a number of
times, stop
and
start ARS, ARS getting locked, RPC errors were quite common.

And contrast I have been running a NT 4 SP 4, for more than a
year as PDC &
file server, due to some UPS problem the power would just go off
and come
back
this has happened more than a dozen times, NT is working fine.
Compac
prolaint
2000 with raid 5.

My understaindng...

Performance issues: can be handled by scalable hardware
Security: is your major concern it is a more or less dependent
only on OS
eas of use: this is dependent on the skill set availabel
Scalability: this is very relative espcially when ther so many
people
providing all kinds of solutions
cost: this is organisational issue

if we take these as a matrix I see NT figuring very prominently
in last
three
items Performance it is decent, about Security i think I am not
the right
person to comment.

-AK

>===== Original Message From "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
=====
>**
>
>I also have had very good service from NT 4 with no forced
reboots in over
two years of
>use on a Dell server.
>
>David <><
>

>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++
>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:38:58 -0400
>> From: "Crandall, David L"

>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Reply-to: "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
>>
>
>> **
>>
>> I agree with the NT folks who've written. I've been running
on NT4 SP6
for
>> over a year without a reboot. As a matter of fact, until
last Friday
when
I
>> found the virus I reported, I hadn't even touched the
keyboard in nearly
6
>> months. (log checks, Remedy admin etc from workstation)
>>
>> Dave Crandall <><
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tyrone Dee [ mailto:tyrone.dee@AMDOCS.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:18 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000
Server very
>> stable.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Wilmot [ mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT
administration.
We
>> see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive.
Finally,
Compaq
>> servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing...
get some
quotes
>> to see this price comparison.
>>
>> Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform
a 4
processor
>> Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a
bit more
>> expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating
environment scale way
>> beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will.
Again... if you
have
>> no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.
>>
>> This can become a religious battle but remember the simple
stuff. NT is
7
>> years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do
O.S. and Data
>> Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are
getting
there.
>> If you care about security you will want to choose a mature
solution as
>> well. There are security concerns around NT.
>> I realize not everyone wants to hear this.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jarl Groneng"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> > **
>> >
>> > ---- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Dave Wilmot"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> >
>> >
>> > > **
>> > >
>> > > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available.
If you're
doing
>> > > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
>> > >
>> > > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7
availability
>> > > choose UNIX.
>> >
>> > I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a
company had a
>> > presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers,
they handled
>> > ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jarl Groneng
>> > jarl@nextra.com
>> >
>> > (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved
in NT/UNIX
and
>> > Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>> >
>> >
>>

____________
____
>> _____________
>> >
>>
>> > You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE,
at
>> www.ARSLIST.org
>> >
>>
>>

____________
____
>> _____________
>>
>>
>> You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
>> www.ARSLIST.org
>>
>>

____________
____
>> _____________
>>
>>
>> You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
>> www.ARSLIST.org
>>
>>

____________
____
__
___________
>>

>> You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
www.ARSLIST.org
>>
>
>David Morrison <><
>East Tennessee State University
>morrison@etsu.edu
>

>___________
____
__
____________
>

>You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
www.ARSLIST.org

---------------------
Ajith Kumar Lakkur,
Consultant,
Crompton Greaves Ltd.
---------------------


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_____________


You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
www.ARSLIST.org


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_____________________________

You could check out tpc.org and look at the situations there. Everyone who
submits a project for consideration needs to include a full disclosure
report that can be very valuable. Have a look.

Adam Pederson

-----Original Message-----
From: Gidd@Home.COM [mailto:gidd@HOME.COM]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:27 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

Rick,

Here we go again,


I take no offense to any of the responses either side.

My question is simple, Microsoft has a web site dedicated to showing the
world that MS SQL is world-class with support for huge terabyte databases.

i.e.: Article from Microsoft's web site:
http://newscenter.verizon.com/proactive/newsroom/release.vtml?id=56629

Verizon:

Platform Supporting Customer Service and Web Sales Linked as 9-Terabyte
Database; Cuts Transaction Time By Consolidating Access to Records

MY QUESTION, what kind of boxes do you think they are using?

Regards...Gidd



-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM]On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:44 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


Rather than perpetuate the jihad between MS and UNIX, I'll attempt to
settle it a little.

With the advent of Win2k, MS finally has, IMHO, an operating system that
will stay up longer than it takes to walk away from the server, without
having to have it really finely tuned (OK, NT 4 SP5+ wasn't bad,
either). Both UNIX and NT will work fine (I've worked much on both) if
properly configured, and will crash a lot if they aren't.

So the only real issue I see any more is that of scalability. UNIX is
still (again, IMHO) the only real solution for a very large (we're
talking General Motors large) Remedy implementation. Most of the rest
of us should use whichever can be the better supported, and therefore
the more accurately configured, at our installation.

Rick Cook
Remedy Consultant
Herrick Douglass

-----Original Message-----
From: O'Hara, Jim
Sent: Thu 7/26/2001 9:26 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?



**

We're looking at this issue also.

Would people on Microsoft server OS's kindly reply to these
questions?

OS/release? (NT, W2000)
Configuration? (clustered, replicating,...)
Processor(s)?
Memory?
Disk capacity, configuration?
Database size?
Max concurrent users?
Avg concurrent users during business hours?
Up time?
How often do you need to reboot?
Remedy applications (Help Desk, Asset Management, custom...)?
Satisfaction level?

Thanks,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ajith Kumar Lakkur [ mailto:ajithkumar@MAILANDNEWS.COM]
Sent: July 24, 2001 10:50 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

well I am not a unix guru neither NT, but I had to develop apps
on ARS+HD
running on a sun solaris box, off all that I had heard of unix
stability and
my admiration to unix was shattered mind you we have a very good
set of unix
administrators, I had to restart the system quite a number of
times, stop
and
start ARS, ARS getting locked, RPC errors were quite common.

And contrast I have been running a NT 4 SP 4, for more than a
year as PDC &
file server, due to some UPS problem the power would just go off
and come
back
this has happened more than a dozen times, NT is working fine.
Compac
prolaint
2000 with raid 5.

My understaindng...

Performance issues: can be handled by scalable hardware
Security: is your major concern it is a more or less dependent
only on OS
eas of use: this is dependent on the skill set availabel
Scalability: this is very relative espcially when ther so many
people
providing all kinds of solutions
cost: this is organisational issue

if we take these as a matrix I see NT figuring very prominently
in last
three
items Performance it is decent, about Security i think I am not
the right
person to comment.

-AK

>===== Original Message From "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
=====
>**
>
>I also have had very good service from NT 4 with no forced
reboots in over
two years of
>use on a Dell server.
>
>David <><
>

>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++
>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:38:58 -0400
>> From: "Crandall, David L"

>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Reply-to: "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
>>
>
>> **
>>
>> I agree with the NT folks who've written. I've been running
on NT4 SP6
for
>> over a year without a reboot. As a matter of fact, until
last Friday
when
I
>> found the virus I reported, I hadn't even touched the
keyboard in nearly
6
>> months. (log checks, Remedy admin etc from workstation)
>>
>> Dave Crandall <><
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tyrone Dee [ mailto:tyrone.dee@AMDOCS.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:18 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000
Server very
>> stable.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Wilmot [ mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT
administration.
We
>> see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive.
Finally,
Compaq
>> servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing...
get some
quotes
>> to see this price comparison.
>>
>> Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform
a 4
processor
>> Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a
bit more
>> expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating
environment scale way
>> beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will.
Again... if you
have
>> no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.
>>
>> This can become a religious battle but remember the simple
stuff. NT is
7
>> years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do
O.S. and Data
>> Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are
getting
there.
>> If you care about security you will want to choose a mature
solution as
>> well. There are security concerns around NT.
>> I realize not everyone wants to hear this.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jarl Groneng"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> > **
>> >
>> > ---- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Dave Wilmot"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> >
>> >
>> > > **
>> > >
>> > > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available.
If you're
doing
>> > > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
>> > >
>> > > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7
availability
>> > > choose UNIX.
>> >
>> > I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a
company had a
>> > presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers,
they handled
>> > ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jarl Groneng
>> > jarl@nextra.com
>> >
>> > (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved
in NT/UNIX
and
>> > Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>> >
>> >
>>

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>

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Adam,

I guess my humor is lost, there is no real point to my post.

BTW, didn't IBM just steal the tpc award from MS/Oracle with
their latest release of DB2 ? Should it be DB2.xx ????



Regards...Gidd


-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM]On Behalf Of PEDERSON, ADAM (PB)
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:55 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

You could check out tpc.org and look at the situations there. Everyone who
submits a project for consideration needs to include a full disclosure
report that can be very valuable. Have a look.

Adam Pederson

-----Original Message-----
From: Gidd@Home.COM [mailto:gidd@HOME.COM]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:27 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

Rick,

Here we go again,


I take no offense to any of the responses either side.

My question is simple, Microsoft has a web site dedicated to showing the
world that MS SQL is world-class with support for huge terabyte databases.

i.e.: Article from Microsoft's web site:
http://newscenter.verizon.com/proactive/newsroom/release.vtml?id=56629

Verizon:

Platform Supporting Customer Service and Web Sales Linked as 9-Terabyte
Database; Cuts Transaction Time By Consolidating Access to Records

MY QUESTION, what kind of boxes do you think they are using?

Regards...Gidd



-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM]On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:44 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


Rather than perpetuate the jihad between MS and UNIX, I'll attempt to
settle it a little.

With the advent of Win2k, MS finally has, IMHO, an operating system that
will stay up longer than it takes to walk away from the server, without
having to have it really finely tuned (OK, NT 4 SP5+ wasn't bad,
either). Both UNIX and NT will work fine (I've worked much on both) if
properly configured, and will crash a lot if they aren't.

So the only real issue I see any more is that of scalability. UNIX is
still (again, IMHO) the only real solution for a very large (we're
talking General Motors large) Remedy implementation. Most of the rest
of us should use whichever can be the better supported, and therefore
the more accurately configured, at our installation.

Rick Cook
Remedy Consultant
Herrick Douglass

-----Original Message-----
From: O'Hara, Jim
Sent: Thu 7/26/2001 9:26 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?



**

We're looking at this issue also.

Would people on Microsoft server OS's kindly reply to these
questions?

OS/release? (NT, W2000)
Configuration? (clustered, replicating,...)
Processor(s)?
Memory?
Disk capacity, configuration?
Database size?
Max concurrent users?
Avg concurrent users during business hours?
Up time?
How often do you need to reboot?
Remedy applications (Help Desk, Asset Management, custom...)?
Satisfaction level?

Thanks,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ajith Kumar Lakkur [ mailto:ajithkumar@MAILANDNEWS.COM]
Sent: July 24, 2001 10:50 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

well I am not a unix guru neither NT, but I had to develop apps
on ARS+HD
running on a sun solaris box, off all that I had heard of unix
stability and
my admiration to unix was shattered mind you we have a very good
set of unix
administrators, I had to restart the system quite a number of
times, stop
and
start ARS, ARS getting locked, RPC errors were quite common.

And contrast I have been running a NT 4 SP 4, for more than a
year as PDC &
file server, due to some UPS problem the power would just go off
and come
back
this has happened more than a dozen times, NT is working fine.
Compac
prolaint
2000 with raid 5.

My understaindng...

Performance issues: can be handled by scalable hardware
Security: is your major concern it is a more or less dependent
only on OS
eas of use: this is dependent on the skill set availabel
Scalability: this is very relative espcially when ther so many
people
providing all kinds of solutions
cost: this is organisational issue

if we take these as a matrix I see NT figuring very prominently
in last
three
items Performance it is decent, about Security i think I am not
the right
person to comment.

-AK

>===== Original Message From "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
=====
>**
>
>I also have had very good service from NT 4 with no forced
reboots in over
two years of
>use on a Dell server.
>
>David <><
>

>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++
>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:38:58 -0400
>> From: "Crandall, David L"

>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Reply-to: "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
>>
>
>> **
>>
>> I agree with the NT folks who've written. I've been running
on NT4 SP6
for
>> over a year without a reboot. As a matter of fact, until
last Friday
when
I
>> found the virus I reported, I hadn't even touched the
keyboard in nearly
6
>> months. (log checks, Remedy admin etc from workstation)
>>
>> Dave Crandall <><
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tyrone Dee [ mailto:tyrone.dee@AMDOCS.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:18 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000
Server very
>> stable.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Wilmot [ mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT
administration.
We
>> see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive.
Finally,
Compaq
>> servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing...
get some
quotes
>> to see this price comparison.
>>
>> Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform
a 4
processor
>> Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a
bit more
>> expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating
environment scale way
>> beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will.
Again... if you
have
>> no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.
>>
>> This can become a religious battle but remember the simple
stuff. NT is
7
>> years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do
O.S. and Data
>> Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are
getting
there.
>> If you care about security you will want to choose a mature
solution as
>> well. There are security concerns around NT.
>> I realize not everyone wants to hear this.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jarl Groneng"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> > **
>> >
>> > ---- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Dave Wilmot"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> >
>> >
>> > > **
>> > >
>> > > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available.
If you're
doing
>> > > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
>> > >
>> > > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7
availability
>> > > choose UNIX.
>> >
>> > I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a
company had a
>> > presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers,
they handled
>> > ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jarl Groneng
>> > jarl@nextra.com
>> >
>> > (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved
in NT/UNIX
and
>> > Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>> >
>> >
>>

____________
____
>> _____________
>> >
>>
>> > You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE,
at
>> www.ARSLIST.org
>> >
>>
>>

____________
____
>> _____________
>>
>>
>> You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
>> www.ARSLIST.org
>>
>>

____________
____
>> _____________
>>
>>
>> You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
>> www.ARSLIST.org
>>
>>

____________
____
__
___________
>>

>> You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
www.ARSLIST.org
>>
>
>David Morrison <><
>East Tennessee State University
>morrison@etsu.edu
>

>___________
____
__
____________
>

>You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
www.ARSLIST.org

---------------------
Ajith Kumar Lakkur,
Consultant,
Crompton Greaves Ltd.
---------------------


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They did, and you should see the report on it. They did some really amazing
things to take that power title away from MS.

Adam

-----Original Message-----
From: Gidd@Home.COM [mailto:gidd@HOME.COM]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 1:12 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

Adam,

I guess my humor is lost, there is no real point to my post.

BTW, didn't IBM just steal the tpc award from MS/Oracle with
their latest release of DB2 ? Should it be DB2.xx ????



Regards...Gidd


-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM]On Behalf Of PEDERSON, ADAM (PB)
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:55 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

You could check out tpc.org and look at the situations there. Everyone who
submits a project for consideration needs to include a full disclosure
report that can be very valuable. Have a look.

Adam Pederson

-----Original Message-----
From: Gidd@Home.COM [mailto:gidd@HOME.COM]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:27 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

Rick,

Here we go again,


I take no offense to any of the responses either side.

My question is simple, Microsoft has a web site dedicated to showing the
world that MS SQL is world-class with support for huge terabyte databases.

i.e.: Article from Microsoft's web site:
http://newscenter.verizon.com/proactive/newsroom/release.vtml?id=56629

Verizon:

Platform Supporting Customer Service and Web Sales Linked as 9-Terabyte
Database; Cuts Transaction Time By Consolidating Access to Records

MY QUESTION, what kind of boxes do you think they are using?

Regards...Gidd



-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM]On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:44 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


Rather than perpetuate the jihad between MS and UNIX, I'll attempt to
settle it a little.

With the advent of Win2k, MS finally has, IMHO, an operating system that
will stay up longer than it takes to walk away from the server, without
having to have it really finely tuned (OK, NT 4 SP5+ wasn't bad,
either). Both UNIX and NT will work fine (I've worked much on both) if
properly configured, and will crash a lot if they aren't.

So the only real issue I see any more is that of scalability. UNIX is
still (again, IMHO) the only real solution for a very large (we're
talking General Motors large) Remedy implementation. Most of the rest
of us should use whichever can be the better supported, and therefore
the more accurately configured, at our installation.

Rick Cook
Remedy Consultant
Herrick Douglass

-----Original Message-----
From: O'Hara, Jim
Sent: Thu 7/26/2001 9:26 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?



**

We're looking at this issue also.

Would people on Microsoft server OS's kindly reply to these
questions?

OS/release? (NT, W2000)
Configuration? (clustered, replicating,...)
Processor(s)?
Memory?
Disk capacity, configuration?
Database size?
Max concurrent users?
Avg concurrent users during business hours?
Up time?
How often do you need to reboot?
Remedy applications (Help Desk, Asset Management, custom...)?
Satisfaction level?

Thanks,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ajith Kumar Lakkur [ mailto:ajithkumar@MAILANDNEWS.COM]
Sent: July 24, 2001 10:50 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?


**

well I am not a unix guru neither NT, but I had to develop apps
on ARS+HD
running on a sun solaris box, off all that I had heard of unix
stability and
my admiration to unix was shattered mind you we have a very good
set of unix
administrators, I had to restart the system quite a number of
times, stop
and
start ARS, ARS getting locked, RPC errors were quite common.

And contrast I have been running a NT 4 SP 4, for more than a
year as PDC &
file server, due to some UPS problem the power would just go off
and come
back
this has happened more than a dozen times, NT is working fine.
Compac
prolaint
2000 with raid 5.

My understaindng...

Performance issues: can be handled by scalable hardware
Security: is your major concern it is a more or less dependent
only on OS
eas of use: this is dependent on the skill set availabel
Scalability: this is very relative espcially when ther so many
people
providing all kinds of solutions
cost: this is organisational issue

if we take these as a matrix I see NT figuring very prominently
in last
three
items Performance it is decent, about Security i think I am not
the right
person to comment.

-AK

>===== Original Message From "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
=====
>**
>
>I also have had very good service from NT 4 with no forced
reboots in over
two years of
>use on a Dell server.
>
>David <><
>

>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++
>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:38:58 -0400
>> From: "Crandall, David L"

>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Reply-to: "Action Request System discussion
list(ARSList)"
>>
>
>> **
>>
>> I agree with the NT folks who've written. I've been running
on NT4 SP6
for
>> over a year without a reboot. As a matter of fact, until
last Friday
when
I
>> found the virus I reported, I hadn't even touched the
keyboard in nearly
6
>> months. (log checks, Remedy admin etc from workstation)
>>
>> Dave Crandall <><
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tyrone Dee [ mailto:tyrone.dee@AMDOCS.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:18 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> I disagree with the regular reboots - I found Windows 2000
Server very
>> stable.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Wilmot [ mailto:dave.wilmot@RAPTEK.COM]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:38 PM
>> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> Lock ups and reboots can be a regular part of daily NT
administration.
We
>> see this daily in our customer base... which is extensive.
Finally,
Compaq
>> servers are more expensive than Sun. Check your pricing...
get some
quotes
>> to see this price comparison.
>>
>> Also, understand that a 2 processor Sun box will out perform
a 4
processor
>> Compaq, therefore, the WinTel solution is actually quite a
bit more
>> expensive. Sun hardware and the Solaris operating
environment scale way
>> beyond what the immature NT/SQLServer solution will.
Again... if you
have
>> no UNIX expertise you may choose NT after all.
>>
>> This can become a religious battle but remember the simple
stuff. NT is
7
>> years old and SQL Server not that old. It takes time to do
O.S. and Data
>> Bases. It will take Microsoft some time as well. They are
getting
there.
>> If you care about security you will want to choose a mature
solution as
>> well. There are security concerns around NT.
>> I realize not everyone wants to hear this.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jarl Groneng"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>>
>>
>> > **
>> >
>> > ---- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Dave Wilmot"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:11 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Nt server Vs. Aix server?
>> >
>> >
>> > > **
>> > >
>> > > UNIX will be much more stable, scalable and available.
If you're
doing
>> > > a small number of transactions NT can handle this.
>> > >
>> > > If you're doing larger transaction volumes or need 24X7
availability
>> > > choose UNIX.
>> >
>> > I'm not agree with this. On RUG (think it was 1999) a
company had a
>> > presentation running Remedy on WinNT on Compaq servers,
they handled
>> > ten-thousands of tickets each day.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jarl Groneng
>> > jarl@nextra.com
>> >
>> > (for n'th time I had said to myselves not to get involved
in NT/UNIX
and
>> > Oracle/MSSQL idscussions)
>> >
>> >
>>

____________
____
>> _____________
>> >
>>
>> > You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE,
at
>> www.ARSLIST.org
>> >
>>
>>

____________
____
>> _____________
>>
>>
>> You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
>> www.ARSLIST.org
>>
>>

____________
____
>> _____________
>>
>>
>> You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
>> www.ARSLIST.org
>>
>>

____________
____
__
___________
>>

>> You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
www.ARSLIST.org
>>
>
>David Morrison <><
>East Tennessee State University
>morrison@etsu.edu
>

>___________
____
__
____________
>

>You may also control your subscription options, including
UNSUBSCRIBE, at
www.ARSLIST.org

---------------------
Ajith Kumar Lakkur,
Consultant,
Crompton Greaves Ltd.
---------------------


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