We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

In practice there would be small differences due aerodynamic effects and possibly due to the curvature of the Earth. The faster the bullet (and therefore the further it would travel), then the more the curvature of the Earth would matter. I don't think aerodynamic effects would be important, but I don't really know.

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Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

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Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

Get out while you are still alive!

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Not if you shot the bullet horizontally towards the sky :-)

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Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

Dan Wangler,
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Subject: Physics


Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

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I see you are with the US military Jermey. Do they often fire straight up when ordered to fire "horizontally"?

Get out while you are still alive!

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Not if you shot the bullet horizontally towards the sky :-)

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Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

Definitely yes,

Since this is a physics question, you have to look at the forces on each bullet. Assuming that atmospheric effects are negligible, then the only vertical force acting on both bullets are gravity. Therefore, both should be forced down at the rate of 9.8m/s^2.

Randy
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Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

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Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

hmmm... isn't this a question where
the correct answer is: 42 ? ;-))

Best Regards
Ruediger

"Ilya" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:<9A0D3C1DFCBFD111AC3700A0C9899964084A53@gandalf.cogniza.com>...
Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need
it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it
leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same
height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that
the ground is level.

----------

Also, many bullets, fired horizontally, actually rise a few inches over the first few hundred feet before beginning their descent. Could that make some difference?

Rick Cook
Remedy Consultant and Physics major wanna-be
Herrick Douglass Technology Development

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Definitely yes,

Since this is a physics question, you have to look at the forces on each bullet. Assuming that atmospheric effects are negligible, then the only vertical force acting on both bullets are gravity. Therefore, both should be forced down at the rate of 9.8m/s^2.

Randy
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Subject: Physics

Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

The only problem with assumption of the level plane is that by doing so
you have to throw Newtonian physics out the window. Essentially your
bending the rules to get the result you want.

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Definitely yes,

Since this is a physics question, you have to look at the forces on each
bullet. Assuming that atmospheric effects are negligible, then the only
vertical force acting on both bullets are gravity. Therefore, both
should be forced down at the rate of 9.8m/s^2.

Randy
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Subject: Physics

Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need
it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it
leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same
height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that
the ground is level.

No advanced degree, here -

But, just wondering - how does one shoot horizontally TOWARDS the sky?

-L






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Not if you shot the bullet horizontally towards the sky :-)
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Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it
settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves
the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will
they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is
level.

I'm not a physicist but...

Surely the horizontal forces are independant of the gravitational forces?

So in theory they'd still both hit the ground at the same time (assuming a perfectly flat landscape!) but a long way apart.

Except that there's probably some lift associated with the fired bullet so it would land slightly later!

And you'd have to be certain that the fired bullet left the barrel at precisely the same instant that the dropped one was released.

And doesn't mass come into it somewhere? Factor in manufacturing tolerances!

Josh.

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Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

For all of you

I´ve found the answer!!!!!!!!

But I had to subscribe to PHYSICS@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM

There you can find that and much more

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**

No advanced degree, here -

But, just wondering - how does one shoot horizontally TOWARDS the sky?

-L






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Not if you shot the bullet horizontally towards the sky :-)
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Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it
settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves
the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will
they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is
level.

In an absolute vacuum the time will be the same.
In the atmosphere you have to account for the air resistance of the bullet shot, for the one dropped the resistance is non significant.

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But since one object is moving through the air very quickly, don't the laws of aerodynamics come into play? Would a pointed bullet fly longer than a blunt-tipped or hollow point one? I would think so, yet the dropped bullet would barely be affected at all by such variables. Examine the forces that apply to an airplane - Lift vs. gravity. Thrust vs. drag. Those apply to vastly different degrees to the two bullets. How then could they react in the same way?

Also, many bullets, fired horizontally, actually rise a few inches over the first few hundred feet before beginning their descent. Could that make some difference?

Rick Cook
Remedy Consultant and Physics major wanna-be
Herrick Douglass Technology Development

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Definitely yes,

Since this is a physics question, you have to look at the forces on each bullet. Assuming that atmospheric effects are negligible, then the only vertical force acting on both bullets are gravity. Therefore, both should be forced down at the rate of 9.8m/s^2.

Randy
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Subject: Physics

Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

As for the forces on an airplane, (of particular interest to me) a bullet has no thrust once it leaves the barrel, plus, it has no lift (assuming it's not spinning) so the forces acting on it on the vertical axis are identical to those of the dropped bullet (it has a lot of horizontal drag, but that will not contribute to the vertical component (unless again, it's spinning.)

Finally, as for the curvature of the earth, that won't make any difference, since gravity does not act in a uniform direction, but pulls toward the earths center. So a bullet fired very, very fast will simply follow the curvature of the earth like a satellite. You DO have to assume that the earth is a perfect sphere, though.

I think that's probably my 4 cents....
-Drake

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But since one object is moving through the air very quickly, don't the laws of aerodynamics come into play? Would a pointed bullet fly longer than a blunt-tipped or hollow point one? I would think so, yet the dropped bullet would barely be affected at all by such variables. Examine the forces that apply to an airplane - Lift vs. gravity. Thrust vs. drag. Those apply to vastly different degrees to the two bullets. How then could they react in the same way?

Also, many bullets, fired horizontally, actually rise a few inches over the first few hundred feet before beginning their descent. Could that make some difference?

Rick Cook
Remedy Consultant and Physics major wanna-be
Herrick Douglass Technology Development

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Definitely yes,

Since this is a physics question, you have to look at the forces on each bullet. Assuming that atmospheric effects are negligible, then the only vertical force acting on both bullets are gravity. Therefore, both should be forced down at the rate of 9.8m/s^2.

Randy
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Subject: Physics

Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

sphere?

us here on flat earth think it would be a lot easier if you just recognise
these things are all magic...

merlin

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Yes, aerodynamics do come into play, but you can't cheat gravity. Most
bullets are pointed and spin so they can travel faster through air, and go
farther in the same amount of time, but they still hit the ground just as
fast. The only way to keep a (round) fired bullet up longer is to spin it
(like a curve ball) so the air "sucks" it up. But then of course it
wouldn't move very fast or do much damage. And Yes, most bullets are not
fired horizontally, but slightly upward, giving it a bit of vertical
velocity to keep it up longer. But the question did say "horizontally".

As for the forces on an airplane, (of particular interest to me) a bullet
has no thrust once it leaves the barrel, plus, it has no lift (assuming it's
not spinning) so the forces acting on it on the vertical axis are identical
to those of the dropped bullet (it has a lot of horizontal drag, but that
will not contribute to the vertical component (unless again, it's spinning.)

Finally, as for the curvature of the earth, that won't make any difference,
since gravity does not act in a uniform direction, but pulls toward the
earths center. So a bullet fired very, very fast will simply follow the
curvature of the earth like a satellite. You DO have to assume that the
earth is a perfect sphere, though.

I think that's probably my 4 cents....
-Drake

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But since one object is moving through the air very quickly, don't the laws
of aerodynamics come into play? Would a pointed bullet fly longer than a
blunt-tipped or hollow point one? I would think so, yet the dropped bullet
would barely be affected at all by such variables. Examine the forces that
apply to an airplane - Lift vs. gravity. Thrust vs. drag. Those apply to
vastly different degrees to the two bullets. How then could they react in
the same way?

Also, many bullets, fired horizontally, actually rise a few inches over the
first few hundred feet before beginning their descent. Could that make some
difference?

Rick Cook
Remedy Consultant and Physics major wanna-be
Herrick Douglass Technology Development

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Definitely yes,

Since this is a physics question, you have to look at the forces on each
bullet. Assuming that atmospheric effects are negligible, then the only
vertical force acting on both bullets are gravity. Therefore, both should
be forced down at the rate of 9.8m/s^2.

Randy
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We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it
settling.

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the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they
both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.








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If you fire two bullets into sky ( say 90 degrees to surface of earth, not
horizontal) one after other( u did not mention you are using two guns). The
later one touches ground first! because the second one goes up the same path and
hits the first one, while the first one coming down!
..ravi






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I'm not a physicist but...

Surely the horizontal forces are independant of the gravitational forces?

So in theory they'd still both hit the ground at the same time (assuming a
perfectly flat landscape!) but a long way apart.

Except that there's probably some lift associated with the fired bullet so it
would land slightly later!

And you'd have to be certain that the fired bullet left the barrel at precisely
the same instant that the dropped one was released.

And doesn't mass come into it somewhere? Factor in manufacturing tolerances!

Josh.

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Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it
settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the
barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both
touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

Ahh, Grasshopper. Remember that the earth is a sphere, so the
horizon points in all directions at once. Hence, the gun must
be fired in all directions to qualify the test.

At 07:52 AM 3/6/01 -0600, you wrote:
>**
>
>No advanced degree, here -
>
>But, just wondering - how does one shoot horizontally TOWARDS the sky?
>
>-L
>

No!!
Neeraj Chauhan

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Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we
need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it
leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height
will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground
is level.

> If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it
> leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height
> will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground
> is level.

In a vacuum, Yes. Gravity will affect the object in the virtical
direction,
no matter what the horizontal speed.

In air, there could be aerodynamic effects that could cause the bullet
to
either get some lift, or cause it to drop faster.

JRSM
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Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

As gravity is a constant, answer is yes.









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Dear Listers,
We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.
If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

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si las balas pesan lo mismo y se arrojan exactamente horizontalmente el tiempo en el que caen es el mismo por que la componente en el eje y es la que hace que caigan al piso, tal fuerza es mg la masa la misma g la misma por lo tanto t el mismo. La fuerza en x hace nada mas que avance en el eje x

Oye te acuerdas de toño y chuy los amigos del vallejin chuy por ahi anda en su empresa y toño ahora trabaja en una empresa emc2 que segun esto fabrica discos de alta disponibilidad, el me platico que vallejin trabaja ahora en una empresa que se llama semtec ¿tu habias oido hablar de esos tipos ? Toño me dijo que vallejin pensaba irse a eu pero que mejor se quedo en esa empresa.

¿como ves? ¿que cuenta por alla scanda y sus choco aventuras ? Ahhh y ya no pierdas el tiempo en phisics.

Saludos

Atte
Paul Garduño E.
Banorte

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But, just wondering - how does one shoot horizontally TOWARDS the sky?

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Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it
settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves
the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will
they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is
level.

Could you repeat that in English?


>>> Paul Garduño Escobar 03/06/01 03:44PM >>>
mauricio

si las balas pesan lo mismo y se arrojan exactamente horizontalmente el
tiempo en el que caen es el mismo por que la componente en el eje y es la
que hace que caigan al piso, tal fuerza es mg la masa la misma g la misma
por lo tanto t el mismo. La fuerza en x hace nada mas que avance en el eje x
Oye te acuerdas de toño y chuy los amigos del vallejin chuy por ahi anda en
su empresa y toño ahora trabaja en una empresa emc2 que segun esto fabrica
discos de alta disponibilidad, el me platico que vallejin trabaja ahora en
una empresa que se llama semtec ¿tu habias oido hablar de esos tipos ? Toño
me dijo que vallejin pensaba irse a eu pero que mejor se quedo en esa
empresa.
¿como ves? ¿que cuenta por alla scanda y sus choco aventuras ? Ahhh y ya no
pierdas el tiempo en phisics.

Saludos

Atte
Paul Garduño E.
Banorte

> ----------
> Desde: Meraz Aguilera Mauricio[SMTP:mmeraz@SCANDA.COM.MX]
> Enviado el: Martes 6 de Marzo de 2001 9:11 AM
> Para: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
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>
> **
>
> For all of you
>
> I ve found the answer!!!!!!!!
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> But I had to subscribe to PHYSICS@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
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> Sent: Martes, 06 de Marzo de 2001 05:52 a.m.
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Subject: Re: Physics
>
>
> **
>
> No advanced degree, here -
>
> But, just wondering - how does one shoot horizontally TOWARDS the sky?
>
> -L
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jeremy Graham @LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM> on
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> Not if you shot the bullet horizontally towards the sky :-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ilya [mailto:ilyaromaine@YAHOO.CO.UK]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:14 AM
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>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it
> settling.
>
> If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it
> leaves
> the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will
> they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is
> level.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Or at least tell us what language is this so we can learn it o:)

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Could you repeat that in English?


>>> Paul Garduño Escobar 03/06/01 03:44PM >>>
mauricio

si las balas pesan lo mismo y se arrojan exactamente horizontalmente el
tiempo en el que caen es el mismo por que la componente en el eje y es la
que hace que caigan al piso, tal fuerza es mg la masa la misma g la misma
por lo tanto t el mismo. La fuerza en x hace nada mas que avance en el eje x
Oye te acuerdas de toño y chuy los amigos del vallejin chuy por ahi anda en
su empresa y toño ahora trabaja en una empresa emc2 que segun esto fabrica
discos de alta disponibilidad, el me platico que vallejin trabaja ahora en
una empresa que se llama semtec ¿tu habias oido hablar de esos tipos ? Toño
me dijo que vallejin pensaba irse a eu pero que mejor se quedo en esa
empresa.
¿como ves? ¿que cuenta por alla scanda y sus choco aventuras ? Ahhh y ya no
pierdas el tiempo en phisics.

Saludos

Atte
Paul Garduño E.
Banorte

> ----------
> Desde: Meraz Aguilera Mauricio[SMTP:mmeraz@SCANDA.COM.MX]
> Enviado el: Martes 6 de Marzo de 2001 9:11 AM
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>
> **
>
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>
> I ve found the answer!!!!!!!!
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> But I had to subscribe to PHYSICS@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Martes, 06 de Marzo de 2001 05:52 a.m.
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Subject: Re: Physics
>
>
> **
>
> No advanced degree, here -
>
> But, just wondering - how does one shoot horizontally TOWARDS the sky?
>
> -L
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jeremy Graham @LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM> on
> 03/06/2001 06:30:02 AM
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:14 AM
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
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>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it
> settling.
>
> If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it
> leaves
> the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will
> they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is
> level.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

The answer to the first question is yes. The vertical velocity acting on
both bullets is the same even though one of the bullets has a horizonal
velocity acting upon it as well. Both bullets will continue to drop at the
same velocity.

However the assumption here is that the bullet will be travelling in a
straight line with no other forces acting upon it (like a body).

No advanced degree required here, high school physics.

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**

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**

Could you repeat that in English?


>>> Paul Garduño Escobar 03/06/01 03:44PM >>>
mauricio

si las balas pesan lo mismo y se arrojan exactamente horizontalmente el
tiempo en el que caen es el mismo por que la componente en el eje y es la
que hace que caigan al piso, tal fuerza es mg la masa la misma g la misma
por lo tanto t el mismo. La fuerza en x hace nada mas que avance en el eje x
Oye te acuerdas de toño y chuy los amigos del vallejin chuy por ahi anda en
su empresa y toño ahora trabaja en una empresa emc2 que segun esto fabrica
discos de alta disponibilidad, el me platico que vallejin trabaja ahora en
una empresa que se llama semtec ¿tu habias oido hablar de esos tipos ? Toño
me dijo que vallejin pensaba irse a eu pero que mejor se quedo en esa
empresa.
¿como ves? ¿que cuenta por alla scanda y sus choco aventuras ? Ahhh y ya no
pierdas el tiempo en phisics.

Saludos

Atte
Paul Garduño E.
Banorte

> ----------
> Desde: Meraz Aguilera Mauricio[SMTP:mmeraz@SCANDA.COM.MX]
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> Para: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Asunto: Re: Physics
>
> **
>
> For all of you
>
> I ve found the answer!!!!!!!!
>
> But I had to subscribe to PHYSICS@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>
> There you can find that and much more
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Martes, 06 de Marzo de 2001 05:52 a.m.
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Subject: Re: Physics
>
>
> **
>
> No advanced degree, here -
>
> But, just wondering - how does one shoot horizontally TOWARDS the sky?
>
> -L
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jeremy Graham @LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM> on
> 03/06/2001 06:30:02 AM
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>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it
> settling.
>
> If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it
> leaves
> the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will
> they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is
> level.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi Ashraf,

it is Spanish!!

;-)

Pd.
If the enviroment is vacuum with gravity the answer is YES, because the
gravitational pull is the same for both bullets.
If it is no vacuum answer is NO, becuase other effects (such as
aerodynamic forces, air resistance, spin of the bullet...etc) will affect
both bullets making them drop faster, pull it up or down... etc so finally
they will not touch the ground at the same time.
If it is vacuum with no gravity no bullet will touch the ground...

Regards,

Celso J. Alonso
Iberdrola Sistemas - DESOL ARS
Madrid

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**

Could you repeat that in English?


>>> Paul Garduño Escobar 03/06/01 03:44PM >>>
mauricio

si las balas pesan lo mismo y se arrojan exactamente horizontalmente el
tiempo en el que caen es el mismo por que la componente en el eje y es la
que hace que caigan al piso, tal fuerza es mg la masa la misma g la misma
por lo tanto t el mismo. La fuerza en x hace nada mas que avance en el eje x
Oye te acuerdas de toño y chuy los amigos del vallejin chuy por ahi anda en
su empresa y toño ahora trabaja en una empresa emc2 que segun esto fabrica
discos de alta disponibilidad, el me platico que vallejin trabaja ahora en
una empresa que se llama semtec ¿tu habias oido hablar de esos tipos ? Toño
me dijo que vallejin pensaba irse a eu pero que mejor se quedo en esa
empresa.
¿como ves? ¿que cuenta por alla scanda y sus choco aventuras ? Ahhh y ya no
pierdas el tiempo en phisics.

Saludos

Atte
Paul Garduño E.
Banorte

> ----------
> Desde: Meraz Aguilera Mauricio[SMTP:mmeraz@SCANDA.COM.MX]
> Enviado el: Martes 6 de Marzo de 2001 9:11 AM
> Para: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Asunto: Re: Physics
>
> **
>
> For all of you
>
> I ve found the answer!!!!!!!!
>
> But I had to subscribe to PHYSICS@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
>
> There you can find that and much more
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Martes, 06 de Marzo de 2001 05:52 a.m.
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Subject: Re: Physics
>
>
> **
>
> No advanced degree, here -
>
> But, just wondering - how does one shoot horizontally TOWARDS the sky?
>
> -L
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jeremy Graham @LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM> on
> 03/06/2001 06:30:02 AM
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> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
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>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it
> settling.
>
> If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it
> leaves
> the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will
> they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is
> level.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

**

The only problem with assumption of the level plane is that by doing so
you have to throw Newtonian physics out the window. Essentially your
bending the rules to get the result you want.

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Definitely yes,

Since this is a physics question, you have to look at the forces on each
bullet. Assuming that atmospheric effects are negligible, then the only
vertical force acting on both bullets are gravity. Therefore, both
should be forced down at the rate of 9.8m/s^2.

Randy
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Yes


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-----Original Message-----
From: Ilya [mailto:ilyaromaine@YAHOO.CO.UK]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:14 AM
To: a0104396@dlemail.itg.ti.com
Subject: Physics

Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need
it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it
leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same
height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that
the ground is level.

Definitely yes,

Since this is a physics question, you have to look at the forces on each bullet. Assuming that atmospheric effects are negligible, then the only vertical force acting on both bullets are gravity. Therefore, both should be forced down at the rate of 9.8m/s^2.

Randy
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Yes


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-----Original Message-----
From: Ilya [mailto:ilyaromaine@YAHOO.CO.UK]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:14 AM
To: a0104396@dlemail.itg.ti.com
Subject: Physics

Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:14 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Physics


Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

Also, many bullets, fired horizontally, actually rise a few inches over the first few hundred feet before beginning their descent. Could that make some difference?

Rick Cook
Remedy Consultant and Physics major wanna-be
Herrick Douglass Technology Development

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: Physics


Definitely yes,

Since this is a physics question, you have to look at the forces on each bullet. Assuming that atmospheric effects are negligible, then the only vertical force acting on both bullets are gravity. Therefore, both should be forced down at the rate of 9.8m/s^2.

Randy
Predictive Systems






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Yes


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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:14 AM
To: a0104396@dlemail.itg.ti.com
Subject: Physics

Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

In practice there would be small differences due aerodynamic effects and possibly due to the curvature of the Earth. The faster the bullet (and therefore the further it would travel), then the more the curvature of the Earth would matter. I don't think aerodynamic effects would be important, but I don't really know.

--
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Subject: Physics

Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Adams [mailto:D.J.Adams@SOTON.AC.UK]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 7:00 AM
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I see you are with the US military Jermey. Do they often fire straight up when ordered to fire "horizontally"?

Get out while you are still alive!

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Subject: Re: Physics

Not if you shot the bullet horizontally towards the sky :-)

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:14 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Physics


Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

**

> If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it
> leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height
> will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground
> is level.

In a vacuum, Yes. Gravity will affect the object in the virtical
direction,
no matter what the horizontal speed.

In air, there could be aerodynamic effects that could cause the bullet
to
either get some lift, or cause it to drop faster.

JRSM
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No!!
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:14 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Physics

Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we
need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it
leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height
will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground
is level.

**

I'm not a physicist but...

Surely the horizontal forces are independant of the gravitational forces?

So in theory they'd still both hit the ground at the same time (assuming a perfectly flat landscape!) but a long way apart.

Except that there's probably some lift associated with the fired bullet so it would land slightly later!

And you'd have to be certain that the fired bullet left the barrel at precisely the same instant that the dropped one was released.

And doesn't mass come into it somewhere? Factor in manufacturing tolerances!

Josh.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ilya [mailto:ilyaromaine@YAHOO.CO.UK]
Sent: 06 March 2001 11:14
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Physics


Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground is level.

If the bullet was fired and hit you directly in the head, and factoring in
any amount of time that it would take you to hit the ground, I am
speculating that both bullets wouldn't hit the ground at the same time.
Unless of course, the second bullet that was dropped from the barrel landed
on your foot at the same time of impact of the other bullet and you fell at
.0625 FPS, and the angle of impact of your foot was at 45 degress, the
bullet may hit the ground at the same precise moment that your head hits the
ground.

Why don't you create a macro or some filters that prove your theories.

Until then, please utilize this newsgroup for Remedy discussions only.

Thanks

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Cann (ETL)"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: Physics


> **
>
> **
>
> I'm not a physicist but...
>
> Surely the horizontal forces are independant of the gravitational forces?
>
> So in theory they'd still both hit the ground at the same time (assuming a
perfectly flat landscape!) but a long way apart.
>
> Except that there's probably some lift associated with the fired bullet so
it would land slightly later!
>
> And you'd have to be certain that the fired bullet left the barrel at
precisely the same instant that the dropped one was released.
>
> And doesn't mass come into it somewhere? Factor in manufacturing
tolerances!
>
> Josh.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ilya [mailto:ilyaromaine@YAHOO.CO.UK]
> Sent: 06 March 2001 11:14
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Subject: Physics
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it
settling.
>
> If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it
leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height
will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground
is level.
>
>
>

>
>
>

I agree that this topic is not appropriate for the ARSlist - but so is your
response. Please don't direct your objections to the entire
ARSlist. The comment about bullets hitting people is not appropriate,
nor, I suspect, will be the responses.

Everyone, please stick to Remedy topics and avoid personal hostility.
With over 2,000 subscribers, you have the ability to waste a lot of
person-hours with the ARSlist. The value of this community is shared
knowledge.

Thanks,
Joel

Joel Sender
ARSlist Moderator
JDSender@earthlink.net

At 11:52 AM 3/12/2001 -0800, RUser wrote:


**

If the bullet was fired and hit you directly in the head, and factoring in
any amount of time that it would take you to hit the ground, I am
speculating that both bullets wouldn't hit the ground at the same time.
Unless of course, the second bullet that was dropped from the barrel landed
on your foot at the same time of impact of the other bullet and you fell at
.0625 FPS, and the angle of impact of your foot was at 45 degress, the
bullet may hit the ground at the same precise moment that your head hits the
ground.

Why don't you create a macro or some filters that prove your theories.

Until then, please utilize this newsgroup for Remedy discussions only.

Thanks

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Cann (ETL)"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: Physics


> **
>
> **
>
> I'm not a physicist but...
>
> Surely the horizontal forces are independant of the gravitational forces?
>
> So in theory they'd still both hit the ground at the same time (assuming a
perfectly flat landscape!) but a long way apart.
>
> Except that there's probably some lift associated with the fired bullet so
it would land slightly later!
>
> And you'd have to be certain that the fired bullet left the barrel at
precisely the same instant that the dropped one was released.
>
> And doesn't mass come into it somewhere? Factor in manufacturing
tolerances!
>
> Josh.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ilya [ mailto:ilyaromaine@YAHOO.CO.UK]
> Sent: 06 March 2001 11:14
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Subject: Physics
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need it
settling.
>
> If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it
leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same height
will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that the ground
is level.
>
>
>

>
>
>





Joel D. Sender
ARSlist Moderator
For Help with your subscription: JDSender@earthlink.net
www.ARSlist.org

Alright, let me though in a couple of pennies..
I was thinking of a different equation here..
If I took a 44 mag and held a bullet in another hand,
and stuck the 44 magnum in the hill side.
Would """I hit the Ground at the same time as the bullet???"""
That is in a true flat environment ..

I know this sounds like Bugs bunny huh...!!

He he ... 8^P

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Cann (ETL)
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Sent: 3/6/01 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: Physics

**

**

I'm not a physicist but...

Surely the horizontal forces are independant of the gravitational
forces?

So in theory they'd still both hit the ground at the same time (assuming
a perfectly flat landscape!) but a long way apart.

Except that there's probably some lift associated with the fired bullet
so it would land slightly later!

And you'd have to be certain that the fired bullet left the barrel at
precisely the same instant that the dropped one was released.

And doesn't mass come into it somewhere? Factor in manufacturing
tolerances!

Josh.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ilya [mailto:ilyaromaine@YAHOO.CO.UK]
Sent: 06 March 2001 11:14
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Physics


Dear Listers,

We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need
it settling.

If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it
leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same
height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that
the ground is level.

Hey Zandy,

If you want to move forward in this discussion, I'd suggest some setup a
BULLETLIST for you and the gang, or, even better BULLETINMYHEAD.
In all different states in the US they have different warnings in the bars
regarding consumption of alcohol. In Tennessee it reads: You should not
carry gun where alcohol is served. Following the idea, I'd say you guys
shall not discuss BULLETS on the ARList.

Nicky Madjarov
Intellico Solutions, Inc.

1507 Hermitage Pk. Dr.
Hermitage, TN 37076
Phone: (615) 883 7591
Mobil : (201) 747 8672
Pager: 2017478672@mobile.att.net
e-mail: nickym@intellicosolutions.net
http://www.intellicosolutions.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zandi Patrick S TSgt AFRL/IFOSS"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Physics


> **
>
> Alright, let me though in a couple of pennies..
> I was thinking of a different equation here..
> If I took a 44 mag and held a bullet in another hand,
> and stuck the 44 magnum in the hill side.
> Would """I hit the Ground at the same time as the bullet???"""
> That is in a true flat environment ..
>
> I know this sounds like Bugs bunny huh...!!
>
> He he ... 8^P
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Cann (ETL)
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Sent: 3/6/01 9:45 AM
> Subject: Re: Physics
>
> **
>
> **
>
> I'm not a physicist but...
>
> Surely the horizontal forces are independant of the gravitational
> forces?
>
> So in theory they'd still both hit the ground at the same time (assuming
> a perfectly flat landscape!) but a long way apart.
>
> Except that there's probably some lift associated with the fired bullet
> so it would land slightly later!
>
> And you'd have to be certain that the fired bullet left the barrel at
> precisely the same instant that the dropped one was released.
>
> And doesn't mass come into it somewhere? Factor in manufacturing
> tolerances!
>
> Josh.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ilya [mailto:ilyaromaine@YAHOO.CO.UK]
> Sent: 06 March 2001 11:14
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Subject: Physics
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need
> it settling.
>
> If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it
> leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same
> height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that
> the ground is level.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

YA Know,
It is very evident.. You Finally Got the point to the statement..
It took a few Defacing statements prior to your final conclusion..
But I'll give you Credit.. ultimately you did get it..

By the way , I do not drink.. have not in 7 years..
Why ? Not because I ever had a problem with drinkin.
Because I am not my own.. I have been Bought with a Price..
I am Christs..

-----Original Message-----
From: Nicky Madjarov [mailto:nickym@EARTHLINK.NET]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 5:50 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: Physics


**

Hey Zandy,

If you want to move forward in this discussion, I'd suggest some setup a
BULLETLIST for you and the gang, or, even better BULLETINMYHEAD.
In all different states in the US they have different warnings in the bars
regarding consumption of alcohol. In Tennessee it reads: You should not
carry gun where alcohol is served. Following the idea, I'd say you guys
shall not discuss BULLETS on the ARList.

Nicky Madjarov
Intellico Solutions, Inc.

1507 Hermitage Pk. Dr.
Hermitage, TN 37076
Phone: (615) 883 7591
Mobil : (201) 747 8672
Pager: 2017478672@mobile.att.net
e-mail: nickym@intellicosolutions.net
http://www.intellicosolutions.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zandi Patrick S TSgt AFRL/IFOSS"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Physics


> **
>
> Alright, let me though in a couple of pennies..
> I was thinking of a different equation here..
> If I took a 44 mag and held a bullet in another hand,
> and stuck the 44 magnum in the hill side.
> Would """I hit the Ground at the same time as the bullet???"""
> That is in a true flat environment ..
>
> I know this sounds like Bugs bunny huh...!!
>
> He he ... 8^P
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Cann (ETL)
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Sent: 3/6/01 9:45 AM
> Subject: Re: Physics
>
> **
>
> **
>
> I'm not a physicist but...
>
> Surely the horizontal forces are independant of the gravitational
> forces?
>
> So in theory they'd still both hit the ground at the same time (assuming
> a perfectly flat landscape!) but a long way apart.
>
> Except that there's probably some lift associated with the fired bullet
> so it would land slightly later!
>
> And you'd have to be certain that the fired bullet left the barrel at
> precisely the same instant that the dropped one was released.
>
> And doesn't mass come into it somewhere? Factor in manufacturing
> tolerances!
>
> Josh.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ilya [mailto:ilyaromaine@YAHOO.CO.UK]
> Sent: 06 March 2001 11:14
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Subject: Physics
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> We're having a 'discussion' here, nothing to do with Remedy but we need
> it settling.
>
> If you fire a bullet horizontally out of a gun and at the instant it
> leaves the barrel of the gun you drop another bullet from the same
> height will they both touch the ground at teh same time, assuming that
> the ground is level.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>