"Nothing will change, the arslist will go on for free, blah, blah. We are
not selling information users have provided for free. . .
"The archives are gone and cannot be provided for free." Oh thats convient.
Why did arslist have to be moved from the Buffalo server? Why, so you can
charge for what it was providing for free.
What a jip. Please spare me the "arslist is a great resource and Dan is to
thank" Arslist is a great resource, thanks to dan and everyone of us who
subscribes to and posts to it. I dont care what hardware and software the
list runs on, without people posting, its worth a damn. My gratitude for
someone setting up and manging the lists only goes so far. In case you
havent noticed, Dan, is taking the list we made great and the list we have
come to rely on and now charging us for it. Dan why didnt you mention the
archive issue earlier? What an all out scam. Egotistical capitalism is not
what made the arslist great, quite the opposisite, more like people helping
others for free.
Ahh, I am so dissapointed with this wwrug. I can't believe Vistait and
Remedy have associated themselves with this fiasco. "The archives are gone
and cannot be provided for free."
Dan, explain to me how this works. WWrug is established to improve remedy
user services. Is the main service it improves, one that we used to get for
free? How can it not be provided for free, but can be provided for a fee?
I thought wwrug was to offer new things to remedy users. Then you insult
someone who is trying to provide a alternative to paying for an archive
info. Dont you see Dan, all you have done is taking something great, and to
make 395*2000 ruined something that belonged to all of us as much as it did
you. We need a new arslist founder. Anyone have the hardware to make this
happen?

I hate to say I told so, but I told you so.

7) ARSList is slow? Stop Complaining. It will speed up, and spreading our
efforts over a dozen little sites run purely to
provide an opportunity to get business, with only a fraction of the
community effort that the ARSList has, is not the answer.

Dan, remind me who is running a site purely to provide an opportunity to get
buisness. Only you buddy, only you.
wwrug aint the answer

Melissa





Just bringing everyone up to date on the move:

1) ARSList has as many messages as ever, up to 138 in a single day.
I am too busy to monitor it hour by hour, so in fact I am mostly on
digest as well these days.

2) DIGEST users. If you want to have the messages show up as
attachments then you need to: set arslist MIME DIGEST I'll try to set
this as the default as well.

3) We had a drive failure this week which did slow the system for a few
days
while it was being replaced

4) The load on the system is such that it takes up to 2.5 hours to send
out
all the e-mail, and for some
reason this system is responding differently to the last identical
configuration I ran. I am talking to technical
support to try and resolve some of the performance and "bundling"
issues.

5) I will be increasing the number of outgoing threads this week which
will
speed it up, but I have to balance
that with the load on our pipe, which is higher than it should be
because of the bundling issue.

6) The Web based archives were something that Buffalo had set up that
places
too large a load on any system
to provide for free. It did not exist before Buffalo temporarily
hosted
the list (as a favour). Look at the
numbers: 15,000+ messages in a non-database structure being searched
by
up to N people a day on an internet
based system. I am considering alternatives, but more than likely only
WWRUG will have a searchable archive.
For free I will probably have a FTP area if people want to download
the
monthly archives.

7) ARSList is slow? Stop Complaining. It will speed up, and spreading our
efforts over a dozen little sites run purely to
provide an opportunity to get business, with only a fraction of the
community effort that the ARSList has, is not the answer.
ARSList has been around for six years (well ok, technically 5 years 10
months), let's keep it going!

8) The ARSList, according to LSoft the folks that created listserv, counts
as a very large list due to the frequency of posts. They
were quite astounded by it in fact. We are an unusually talkative list
for the numbers involved.

.... dan
ps. in case you hadn't noticed, I have now added the unsubscribe to the
bottom,
and I'm working on other suggestions
Dan Bloom
Creator of the ARSList: the first remedy community
co-founder of WWRUG: The World Wide Remedy(tm) Users Group


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

To Unsubscribe send e-mail to:
body of text is: unsubscribe arslist

I'm paying Remedy more than $14,000 / year for maintenance today. This
also includes "Help" from Remedy.
There's NO way I can afford to pay more $$ this WWRUG. Even if I wanted to,
there's NO way my management
would agree to give me the $$ to pay for additional Help from WWRUG

Thomas Truax
Lockheed Martin Federal Systems
Owego Help Desk & Remedy Dev.
607-751-3336

To Unsubscribe send e-mail to:
body of text is: unsubscribe arslist

Also, I for one don't mind paying a fee for valuable information. If Dan
Bloom has been spending his valuable time working on the ARSlist, and WWRUG,
then he or someone should be compensated for it. Finally Melissa, I don't
mind you voicing your concerns about the ARSlist, or WWRUG; however, I do
mind you personalizing your frustrations and anger towards an individual,
such as Dan.

My two cents ......

Mark Travers
RAC Certified



-----Original Message-----
From: Melissa Mation [mailto:mmation35@HOTMAIL.COM]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 9:57 AM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: wwrug isnt your friend


Ahh, as if we didnt know this was coming . . .
"Nothing will change, the arslist will go on for free, blah, blah. We are
not selling information users have provided for free. . .
"The archives are gone and cannot be provided for free." Oh thats convient.
Why did arslist have to be moved from the Buffalo server? Why, so you can
charge for what it was providing for free.
What a jip. Please spare me the "arslist is a great resource and Dan is to
thank" Arslist is a great resource, thanks to dan and everyone of us who
subscribes to and posts to it. I dont care what hardware and software the
list runs on, without people posting, its worth a damn. My gratitude for
someone setting up and manging the lists only goes so far. In case you
havent noticed, Dan, is taking the list we made great and the list we have
come to rely on and now charging us for it. Dan why didnt you mention the
archive issue earlier? What an all out scam. Egotistical capitalism is not
what made the arslist great, quite the opposisite, more like people helping
others for free.
Ahh, I am so dissapointed with this wwrug. I can't believe Vistait and
Remedy have associated themselves with this fiasco. "The archives are gone
and cannot be provided for free."
Dan, explain to me how this works. WWrug is established to improve remedy
user services. Is the main service it improves, one that we used to get for
free? How can it not be provided for free, but can be provided for a fee?
I thought wwrug was to offer new things to remedy users. Then you insult
someone who is trying to provide a alternative to paying for an archive
info. Dont you see Dan, all you have done is taking something great, and to
make 395*2000 ruined something that belonged to all of us as much as it did
you. We need a new arslist founder. Anyone have the hardware to make this
happen?

I hate to say I told so, but I told you so.

7) ARSList is slow? Stop Complaining. It will speed up, and spreading our
efforts over a dozen little sites run purely to
provide an opportunity to get business, with only a fraction of the
community effort that the ARSList has, is not the answer.

Dan, remind me who is running a site purely to provide an opportunity to get
buisness. Only you buddy, only you.
wwrug aint the answer

Melissa





Just bringing everyone up to date on the move:

1) ARSList has as many messages as ever, up to 138 in a single day.
I am too busy to monitor it hour by hour, so in fact I am mostly on
digest as well these days.

2) DIGEST users. If you want to have the messages show up as
attachments then you need to: set arslist MIME DIGEST I'll try to set
this as the default as well.

3) We had a drive failure this week which did slow the system for a few
days
while it was being replaced

4) The load on the system is such that it takes up to 2.5 hours to send
out
all the e-mail, and for some
reason this system is responding differently to the last identical
configuration I ran. I am talking to technical
support to try and resolve some of the performance and "bundling"
issues.

5) I will be increasing the number of outgoing threads this week which
will
speed it up, but I have to balance
that with the load on our pipe, which is higher than it should be
because of the bundling issue.

6) The Web based archives were something that Buffalo had set up that
places
too large a load on any system
to provide for free. It did not exist before Buffalo temporarily
hosted
the list (as a favour). Look at the
numbers: 15,000+ messages in a non-database structure being searched
by
up to N people a day on an internet
based system. I am considering alternatives, but more than likely only
WWRUG will have a searchable archive.
For free I will probably have a FTP area if people want to download
the
monthly archives.

7) ARSList is slow? Stop Complaining. It will speed up, and spreading our
efforts over a dozen little sites run purely to
provide an opportunity to get business, with only a fraction of the
community effort that the ARSList has, is not the answer.
ARSList has been around for six years (well ok, technically 5 years 10
months), let's keep it going!

8) The ARSList, according to LSoft the folks that created listserv, counts
as a very large list due to the frequency of posts. They
were quite astounded by it in fact. We are an unusually talkative list
for the numbers involved.

.... dan
ps. in case you hadn't noticed, I have now added the unsubscribe to the
bottom,
and I'm working on other suggestions
Dan Bloom
Creator of the ARSList: the first remedy community
co-founder of WWRUG: The World Wide Remedy(tm) Users Group


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

To Unsubscribe send e-mail to:
body of text is: unsubscribe arslist

To Unsubscribe send e-mail to:
body of text is: unsubscribe arslist

-IB
PyraSoft, Inc.
Home of Remedy ARS WebBoard
http://www.pyrasoft.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Ponzo [SMTP:list@HELP.SPAWAR.NAVY.MIL]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 3:27 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: wwrug isnt your friend

Melissa/Thomas,

Shouldn't you be more upset with Remedy since you pay THEM for support but
don't get what you expect? Instead you are arguing that this information
should be accessible to everyone for free. Well, it is. Everyone can have
access to every e-mail sent to the list FOR FREE!
Archive? Save the e-mails that come in and build your own. Dan mentioned
in # 6 of his e-mail "For free I will probably have a FTP area if people
want to download the monthly archives."
If you don't want to spend the money on WWRUG, then don't! You get what you
PAY FOR. If you think it's so easy for Buffalo to maintain the list, why
not contact them and see how they feel about continuing the free service.

By the way Melissa and Thomas, thank you for all of the assistance you have
ever provided to people who post questions here.

Just my 2 cents....delivered for free.

Rick Ponzo
System Administrator
SPAWAR Technical Information Center
San Diego, CA
619-553-8936


----- Original Message -----
From: Truax, Thomas
To:
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 11:15 AM
Subject: wwrug isnt your friend


> Melissa....RIGHT ON !!
> I'm paying Remedy more than $14,000 / year for maintenance today. This
> also includes "Help" from Remedy.
> There's NO way I can afford to pay more $$ this WWRUG. Even if I wanted
to,
> there's NO way my management
> would agree to give me the $$ to pay for additional Help from WWRUG
>
> Thomas Truax
> Lockheed Martin Federal Systems
> Owego Help Desk & Remedy Dev.
> 607-751-3336

Ahh, as if we didnt know this was coming . . .
"Nothing will change, the arslist will go on for free, blah, blah. We are
not selling information users have provided for free. . .
"The archives are gone and cannot be provided for free." Oh thats convient.
Why did arslist have to be moved from the Buffalo server? Why, so you can
charge for what it was providing for free.
What a jip. Please spare me the "arslist is a great resource and Dan is to
thank" Arslist is a great resource, thanks to dan and everyone of us who
subscribes to and posts to it. I dont care what hardware and software the
list runs on, without people posting, its worth a damn. My gratitude for
someone setting up and manging the lists only goes so far. In case you
havent noticed, Dan, is taking the list we made great and the list we have
come to rely on and now charging us for it. Dan why didnt you mention the
archive issue earlier? What an all out scam. Egotistical capitalism is not
what made the arslist great, quite the opposisite, more like people helping
others for free.
Ahh, I am so dissapointed with this wwrug. I can't believe Vistait and
Remedy have associated themselves with this fiasco. "The archives are gone
and cannot be provided for free."
Dan, explain to me how this works. WWrug is established to improve remedy
user services. Is the main service it improves, one that we used to get for
free? How can it not be provided for free, but can be provided for a fee?
I thought wwrug was to offer new things to remedy users. Then you insult
someone who is trying to provide a alternative to paying for an archive
info. Dont you see Dan, all you have done is taking something great, and to
make 395*2000 ruined something that belonged to all of us as much as it did
you. We need a new arslist founder. Anyone have the hardware to make this
happen?

I hate to say I told so, but I told you so.

7) ARSList is slow? Stop Complaining. It will speed up, and spreading our
efforts over a dozen little sites run purely to
provide an opportunity to get business, with only a fraction of the
community effort that the ARSList has, is not the answer.

Dan, remind me who is running a site purely to provide an opportunity to get
buisness. Only you buddy, only you.
wwrug aint the answer

Melissa






>
> To Unsubscribe send e-mail to:
> body of text is: unsubscribe arslist

To Unsubscribe send e-mail to:
body of text is: unsubscribe arslist

To Unsubscribe send e-mail to:
body of text is: unsubscribe arslist

Shouldn't you be more upset with Remedy since you pay THEM for support but
don't get what you expect? Instead you are arguing that this information
should be accessible to everyone for free. Well, it is. Everyone can have
access to every e-mail sent to the list FOR FREE!
Archive? Save the e-mails that come in and build your own. Dan mentioned
in # 6 of his e-mail "For free I will probably have a FTP area if people
want to download the monthly archives."
If you don't want to spend the money on WWRUG, then don't! You get what you
PAY FOR. If you think it's so easy for Buffalo to maintain the list, why
not contact them and see how they feel about continuing the free service.

By the way Melissa and Thomas, thank you for all of the assistance you have
ever provided to people who post questions here.

Just my 2 cents....delivered for free.

Rick Ponzo
System Administrator
SPAWAR Technical Information Center
San Diego, CA
619-553-8936


----- Original Message -----
From: Truax, Thomas
To:
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 11:15 AM
Subject: wwrug isnt your friend


> Melissa....RIGHT ON !!
> I'm paying Remedy more than $14,000 / year for maintenance today. This
> also includes "Help" from Remedy.
> There's NO way I can afford to pay more $$ this WWRUG. Even if I wanted
to,
> there's NO way my management
> would agree to give me the $$ to pay for additional Help from WWRUG
>
> Thomas Truax
> Lockheed Martin Federal Systems
> Owego Help Desk & Remedy Dev.
> 607-751-3336

Ahh, as if we didnt know this was coming . . .
"Nothing will change, the arslist will go on for free, blah, blah. We are
not selling information users have provided for free. . .
"The archives are gone and cannot be provided for free." Oh thats convient.
Why did arslist have to be moved from the Buffalo server? Why, so you can
charge for what it was providing for free.
What a jip. Please spare me the "arslist is a great resource and Dan is to
thank" Arslist is a great resource, thanks to dan and everyone of us who
subscribes to and posts to it. I dont care what hardware and software the
list runs on, without people posting, its worth a damn. My gratitude for
someone setting up and manging the lists only goes so far. In case you
havent noticed, Dan, is taking the list we made great and the list we have
come to rely on and now charging us for it. Dan why didnt you mention the
archive issue earlier? What an all out scam. Egotistical capitalism is not
what made the arslist great, quite the opposisite, more like people helping
others for free.
Ahh, I am so dissapointed with this wwrug. I can't believe Vistait and
Remedy have associated themselves with this fiasco. "The archives are gone
and cannot be provided for free."
Dan, explain to me how this works. WWrug is established to improve remedy
user services. Is the main service it improves, one that we used to get for
free? How can it not be provided for free, but can be provided for a fee?
I thought wwrug was to offer new things to remedy users. Then you insult
someone who is trying to provide a alternative to paying for an archive
info. Dont you see Dan, all you have done is taking something great, and to
make 395*2000 ruined something that belonged to all of us as much as it did
you. We need a new arslist founder. Anyone have the hardware to make this
happen?

I hate to say I told so, but I told you so.

7) ARSList is slow? Stop Complaining. It will speed up, and spreading our
efforts over a dozen little sites run purely to
provide an opportunity to get business, with only a fraction of the
community effort that the ARSList has, is not the answer.

Dan, remind me who is running a site purely to provide an opportunity to get
buisness. Only you buddy, only you.
wwrug aint the answer

Melissa






>
> To Unsubscribe send e-mail to:
> body of text is: unsubscribe arslist

To Unsubscribe send e-mail to:
body of text is: unsubscribe arslist

I thoroughly agree. This "entitlement" mentality is amazing in it's
complete lack of recognition of reality. Oh, and are spell-checkers
considered too fascist an application for you to use, Melissa? Thanks for
subjecting the readers to your spelling and grammar, which was about what
would come from my 4th grade son. Really underscored the thoughtful
intelligence of your point.

Finally, maybe my memory is faulty, but I don't recall ever seeing Melissa's
name contributing on the list before. Just how much work has she done to
make the list a better place for anyone?

Sorry to vent further, I really will get back to work now.

Rick Cook
ISS Remedy Consultant
AT&T Wireless Services
425-580-8139

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Ponzo [SMTP:list@HELP.SPAWAR.NAVY.MIL]
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:27 PM
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Subject: Re: wwrug isnt your friend
>
> Melissa/Thomas,
>
> Shouldn't you be more upset with Remedy since you pay THEM for support but
> don't get what you expect? Instead you are arguing that this information
> should be accessible to everyone for free. Well, it is. Everyone can
> have
> access to every e-mail sent to the list FOR FREE!
> Archive? Save the e-mails that come in and build your own. Dan mentioned
> in # 6 of his e-mail "For free I will probably have a FTP area if people
> want to download the monthly archives."
> If you don't want to spend the money on WWRUG, then don't! You get what
> you
> PAY FOR. If you think it's so easy for Buffalo to maintain the list, why
> not contact them and see how they feel about continuing the free service.
>
> By the way Melissa and Thomas, thank you for all of the assistance you
> have
> ever provided to people who post questions here.
>
> Just my 2 cents....delivered for free.
>
> Rick Ponzo
> System Administrator
> SPAWAR Technical Information Center
> San Diego, CA
> 619-553-8936
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Truax, Thomas
> To:
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 11:15 AM
> Subject: wwrug isnt your friend
>
>
> > Melissa....RIGHT ON !!
> > I'm paying Remedy more than $14,000 / year for maintenance today.
> This
> > also includes "Help" from Remedy.
> > There's NO way I can afford to pay more $$ this WWRUG. Even if I wanted
> to,
> > there's NO way my management
> > would agree to give me the $$ to pay for additional Help from WWRUG
> >
> > Thomas Truax
> > Lockheed Martin Federal Systems
> > Owego Help Desk & Remedy Dev.
> > 607-751-3336
>
> Ahh, as if we didnt know this was coming . . .
> "Nothing will change, the arslist will go on for free, blah, blah. We are
> not selling information users have provided for free. . .
> "The archives are gone and cannot be provided for free." Oh thats
> convient.
> Why did arslist have to be moved from the Buffalo server? Why, so you
> can
> charge for what it was providing for free.
> What a jip. Please spare me the "arslist is a great resource and Dan is
> to
> thank" Arslist is a great resource, thanks to dan and everyone of us who
> subscribes to and posts to it. I dont care what hardware and software the
> list runs on, without people posting, its worth a damn. My gratitude for
> someone setting up and manging the lists only goes so far. In case you
> havent noticed, Dan, is taking the list we made great and the list we have
> come to rely on and now charging us for it. Dan why didnt you mention the
> archive issue earlier? What an all out scam. Egotistical capitalism is
> not
> what made the arslist great, quite the opposisite, more like people
> helping
> others for free.
> Ahh, I am so dissapointed with this wwrug. I can't believe Vistait and
> Remedy have associated themselves with this fiasco. "The archives are
> gone
> and cannot be provided for free."
> Dan, explain to me how this works. WWrug is established to improve remedy
> user services. Is the main service it improves, one that we used to get
> for
> free? How can it not be provided for free, but can be provided for a fee?
> I thought wwrug was to offer new things to remedy users. Then you insult
> someone who is trying to provide a alternative to paying for an archive
> info. Dont you see Dan, all you have done is taking something great, and
> to
> make 395*2000 ruined something that belonged to all of us as much as it
> did
> you. We need a new arslist founder. Anyone have the hardware to make
> this
> happen?
>
> I hate to say I told so, but I told you so.
>
> 7) ARSList is slow? Stop Complaining. It will speed up, and spreading
> our
> efforts over a dozen little sites run purely to
> provide an opportunity to get business, with only a fraction of the
> community effort that the ARSList has, is not the answer.
>
> Dan, remind me who is running a site purely to provide an opportunity to
> get
> buisness. Only you buddy, only you.
> wwrug aint the answer
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > To Unsubscribe send e-mail to:
> > body of text is: unsubscribe arslist
>
> To Unsubscribe send e-mail to:
> body of text is: unsubscribe arslist

To Unsubscribe send e-mail to:
body of text is: unsubscribe arslist

Remember me from Remedy class? How are you?

Shelley S. Peralta
Schoolpop, Inc.
Remedy Systems Manager
speralta@schoolpop.com
650.323.5670 X 286

-----Original Message-----
From: Ibrahim Akar [SMTP:ib@PYRASOFT.COM]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 1:08 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: wwrug isnt your friend

I cant see how people can pay for remedy support and turn around and pay for wwwrug. Are we saying that we dont trust Remedy support?

-IB
PyraSoft, Inc.
Home of Remedy ARS WebBoard
http://www.pyrasoft.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Ponzo [SMTP:list@HELP.SPAWAR.NAVY.MIL]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 3:27 PM
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: wwrug isnt your friend

Melissa/Thomas,

Shouldn't you be more upset with Remedy since you pay THEM for support but
don't get what you expect? Instead you are arguing that this information
should be accessible to everyone for free. Well, it is. Everyone can have
access to every e-mail sent to the list FOR FREE!
Archive? Save the e-mails that come in and build your own. Dan mentioned
in # 6 of his e-mail "For free I will probably have a FTP area if people
want to download the monthly archives."
If you don't want to spend the money on WWRUG, then don't! You get what you
PAY FOR. If you think it's so easy for Buffalo to maintain the list, why
not contact them and see how they feel about continuing the free service.

By the way Melissa and Thomas, thank you for all of the assistance you have
ever provided to people who post questions here.

Just my 2 cents....delivered for free.

Rick Ponzo
System Administrator
SPAWAR Technical Information Center
San Diego, CA
619-553-8936


----- Original Message -----
From: Truax, Thomas
To:
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 11:15 AM
Subject: wwrug isnt your friend


> Melissa....RIGHT ON !!
> I'm paying Remedy more than $14,000 / year for maintenance today. This
> also includes "Help" from Remedy.
> There's NO way I can afford to pay more $$ this WWRUG. Even if I wanted
to,
> there's NO way my management
> would agree to give me the $$ to pay for additional Help from WWRUG
>
> Thomas Truax
> Lockheed Martin Federal Systems
> Owego Help Desk & Remedy Dev.
> 607-751-3336

Ahh, as if we didnt know this was coming . . .
"Nothing will change, the arslist will go on for free, blah, blah. We are
not selling information users have provided for free. . .
"The archives are gone and cannot be provided for free." Oh thats convient.
Why did arslist have to be moved from the Buffalo server? Why, so you can
charge for what it was providing for free.
What a jip. Please spare me the "arslist is a great resource and Dan is to
thank" Arslist is a great resource, thanks to dan and everyone of us who
subscribes to and posts to it. I dont care what hardware and software the
list runs on, without people posting, its worth a damn. My gratitude for
someone setting up and manging the lists only goes so far. In case you
havent noticed, Dan, is taking the list we made great and the list we have
come to rely on and now charging us for it. Dan why didnt you mention the
archive issue earlier? What an all out scam. Egotistical capitalism is not
what made the arslist great, quite the opposisite, more like people helping
others for free.
Ahh, I am so dissapointed with this wwrug. I can't believe Vistait and
Remedy have associated themselves with this fiasco. "The archives are gone
and cannot be provided for free."
Dan, explain to me how this works. WWrug is established to improve remedy
user services. Is the main service it improves, one that we used to get for
free? How can it not be provided for free, but can be provided for a fee?
I thought wwrug was to offer new things to remedy users. Then you insult
someone who is trying to provide a alternative to paying for an archive
info. Dont you see Dan, all you have done is taking something great, and to
make 395*2000 ruined something that belonged to all of us as much as it did
you. We need a new arslist founder. Anyone have the hardware to make this
happen?

I hate to say I told so, but I told you so.

7) ARSList is slow? Stop Complaining. It will speed up, and spreading our
efforts over a dozen little sites run purely to
provide an opportunity to get business, with only a fraction of the
community effort that the ARSList has, is not the answer.

Dan, remind me who is running a site purely to provide an opportunity to get
buisness. Only you buddy, only you.
wwrug aint the answer

Melissa






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My Typing is Atroshus..huh..
Anyways.. I do not charge for anything I put out on the list..
But then Again, you might not want to pay for it anyways...
unless it was correct.... or it at least worked.!!
I Think We should Stop Whining till the Release of the Product is at lease
out.
Folks.. You all sound like my 4 kids....
Actions Speak Louder than words... Lets wait, find out what the product
does , looks like, and the feel of it.. Then I could understand and take
some of this
Criticism. Oh Course in another 30 days after the criticism it could be
fixed too.
So lets do a Wait and See.. Attitude...

Just my phenning(Spelling ?) worth.. (About 1/10th the price of a penny in
German Monies)
~~Remedy ~~~ Way to go !! ~~~>Patrick Zandi
RRS - IFOSS, 525 Brooks Road Rome NY 13440
WP 315-330-3911 Fax 315-330-3314 : ^)
"If I must choose between peace and righteousness,
I choose righteousness."
Theodore Roosevelt

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why I subscribe to the ARSlist, and why I subscribe to WWRUG. I paid for
WWRUG sight unseen because I recognize the value of information.

Rick Ponzo
System Administrator
SPAWAR Technical Information Center
San Diego, CA
619-553-8936


----- Original Message -----
From: Ibrahim Akar
To:
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: wwrug isnt your friend


> I cant see how people can pay for remedy support and turn around and pay
for wwwrug. Are we saying that we dont trust Remedy support?
>
> -IB
> PyraSoft, Inc.
> Home of Remedy ARS WebBoard
> http://www.pyrasoft.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Ponzo [SMTP:list@HELP.SPAWAR.NAVY.MIL]
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 3:27 PM
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Subject: Re: wwrug isnt your friend
>
> Melissa/Thomas,
>
> Shouldn't you be more upset with Remedy since you pay THEM for support but
> don't get what you expect? Instead you are arguing that this information
> should be accessible to everyone for free. Well, it is. Everyone can
have
> access to every e-mail sent to the list FOR FREE!
> Archive? Save the e-mails that come in and build your own. Dan mentioned
> in # 6 of his e-mail "For free I will probably have a FTP area if people
> want to download the monthly archives."
> If you don't want to spend the money on WWRUG, then don't! You get what
you
> PAY FOR. If you think it's so easy for Buffalo to maintain the list, why
> not contact them and see how they feel about continuing the free service.
>
> By the way Melissa and Thomas, thank you for all of the assistance you
have
> ever provided to people who post questions here.
>
> Just my 2 cents....delivered for free.
>
> Rick Ponzo
> System Administrator
> SPAWAR Technical Information Center
> San Diego, CA
> 619-553-8936
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Truax, Thomas
> To:
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 11:15 AM
> Subject: wwrug isnt your friend
>
>
> > Melissa....RIGHT ON !!
> > I'm paying Remedy more than $14,000 / year for maintenance today.
This
> > also includes "Help" from Remedy.
> > There's NO way I can afford to pay more $$ this WWRUG. Even if I wanted
> to,
> > there's NO way my management
> > would agree to give me the $$ to pay for additional Help from WWRUG
> >
> > Thomas Truax
> > Lockheed Martin Federal Systems
> > Owego Help Desk & Remedy Dev.
> > 607-751-3336
>
> Ahh, as if we didnt know this was coming . . .
> "Nothing will change, the arslist will go on for free, blah, blah. We are
> not selling information users have provided for free. . .
> "The archives are gone and cannot be provided for free." Oh thats
convient.
> Why did arslist have to be moved from the Buffalo server? Why, so you
can
> charge for what it was providing for free.
> What a jip. Please spare me the "arslist is a great resource and Dan is
to
> thank" Arslist is a great resource, thanks to dan and everyone of us who
> subscribes to and posts to it. I dont care what hardware and software the
> list runs on, without people posting, its worth a damn. My gratitude for
> someone setting up and manging the lists only goes so far. In case you
> havent noticed, Dan, is taking the list we made great and the list we have
> come to rely on and now charging us for it. Dan why didnt you mention the
> archive issue earlier? What an all out scam. Egotistical capitalism is
not
> what made the arslist great, quite the opposisite, more like people
helping
> others for free.
> Ahh, I am so dissapointed with this wwrug. I can't believe Vistait and
> Remedy have associated themselves with this fiasco. "The archives are
gone
> and cannot be provided for free."
> Dan, explain to me how this works. WWrug is established to improve remedy
> user services. Is the main service it improves, one that we used to get
for
> free? How can it not be provided for free, but can be provided for a fee?
> I thought wwrug was to offer new things to remedy users. Then you insult
> someone who is trying to provide a alternative to paying for an archive
> info. Dont you see Dan, all you have done is taking something great, and
to
> make 395*2000 ruined something that belonged to all of us as much as it
did
> you. We need a new arslist founder. Anyone have the hardware to make
this
> happen?
>
> I hate to say I told so, but I told you so.
>
> 7) ARSList is slow? Stop Complaining. It will speed up, and spreading
our
> efforts over a dozen little sites run purely to
> provide an opportunity to get business, with only a fraction of the
> community effort that the ARSList has, is not the answer.
>
> Dan, remind me who is running a site purely to provide an opportunity to
get
> buisness. Only you buddy, only you.
> wwrug aint the answer
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
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Before anyone says anything further that would prevent you from sharing a
beer with your fellow Remedy folks at the next RUG, let's just take a
moment, breath, and let this go, or at least bring it back to a level where
consideration, professionalism, and common curteousy are more evident.

Thank you,

David Kirkpatrick
Legacy Health System
Portland, OR USA
503.415.5826 (Voice)
503.415.5126 (FAX)
dkirkpat@lhs.org
----------
From: Cook, Rick
To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
Subject: Re: wwrug isnt your friend
Date: Monday, September 13, 1999 1:25PM

Rick,

I thoroughly agree. This "entitlement" mentality is amazing in it's
complete lack of recognition of reality. Oh, and are spell-checkers
considered too fascist an application for you to use, Melissa? Thanks for
subjecting the readers to your spelling and grammar, which was about what
would come from my 4th grade son. Really underscored the thoughtful
intelligence of your point.

Finally, maybe my memory is faulty, but I don't recall ever seeing Melissa's
name contributing on the list before. Just how much work has she done to
make the list a better place for anyone?

Sorry to vent further, I really will get back to work now.

Rick Cook
ISS Remedy Consultant
AT&T Wireless Services
425-580-8139

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Ponzo [SMTP:list@HELP.SPAWAR.NAVY.MIL]
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:27 PM
> To: ARSLIST@LISTSERV.VISTAIT.COM
> Subject: Re: wwrug isnt your friend
>
> Melissa/Thomas,
>
> Shouldn't you be more upset with Remedy since you pay THEM for support but
> don't get what you expect? Instead you are arguing that this information
> should be accessible to everyone for free. Well, it is. Everyone can
> have
> access to every e-mail sent to the list FOR FREE!
> Archive? Save the e-mails that come in and build your own. Dan mentioned
> in # 6 of his e-mail "For free I will probably have a FTP area if people
> want to download the monthly archives."
> If you don't want to spend the money on WWRUG, then don't! You get what
> you
> PAY FOR. If you think it's so easy for Buffalo to maintain the list, why
> not contact them and see how they feel about continuing the free service.
>
> By the way Melissa and Thomas, thank you for all of the assistance you
> have
> ever provided to people who post questions here.
>
> Just my 2 cents....delivered for free.
>
> Rick Ponzo
> System Administrator
> SPAWAR Technical Information Center
> San Diego, CA
> 619-553-8936
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Truax, Thomas
> To:
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 11:15 AM
> Subject: wwrug isnt your friend
>
>
> > Melissa....RIGHT ON !!
> > I'm paying Remedy more than $14,000 / year for maintenance today.
> This
> > also includes "Help" from Remedy.
> > There's NO way I can afford to pay more $$ this WWRUG. Even if I wanted
> to,
> > there's NO way my management
> > would agree to give me the $$ to pay for additional Help from WWRUG
> >
> > Thomas Truax
> > Lockheed Martin Federal Systems
> > Owego Help Desk & Remedy Dev.
> > 607-751-3336
>
> Ahh, as if we didnt know this was coming . . .
> "Nothing will change, the arslist will go on for free, blah, blah. We are
> not selling information users have provided for free. . .
> "The archives are gone and cannot be provided for free." Oh thats
> convient.
> Why did arslist have to be moved from the Buffalo server? Why, so you
> can
> charge for what it was providing for free.
> What a jip. Please spare me the "arslist is a great resource and Dan is
> to
> thank" Arslist is a great resource, thanks to dan and everyone of us who
> subscribes to and posts to it. I dont care what hardware and software the
> list runs on, without people posting, its worth a damn. My gratitude for
> someone setting up and manging the lists only goes so far. In case you
> havent noticed, Dan, is taking the list we made great and the list we have
> come to rely on and now charging us for it. Dan why didnt you mention the
> archive issue earlier? What an all out scam. Egotistical capitalism is
> not
> what made the arslist great, quite the opposisite, more like people
> helping
> others for free.
> Ahh, I am so dissapointed with this wwrug. I can't believe Vistait and
> Remedy have associated themselves with this fiasco. "The archives are
> gone
> and cannot be provided for free."
> Dan, explain to me how this works. WWrug is established to improve remedy
> user services. Is the main service it improves, one that we used to get
> for
> free? How can it not be provided for free, but can be provided for a fee?
> I thought wwrug was to offer new things to remedy users. Then you insult
> someone who is trying to provide a alternative to paying for an archive
> info. Dont you see Dan, all you have done is taking something great, and
> to
> make 395*2000 ruined something that belonged to all of us as much as it
> did
> you. We need a new arslist founder. Anyone have the hardware to make
> this
> happen?
>
> I hate to say I told so, but I told you so.
>
> 7) ARSList is slow? Stop Complaining. It will speed up, and spreading
> our
> efforts over a dozen little sites run purely to
> provide an opportunity to get business, with only a fraction of the
> community effort that the ARSList has, is not the answer.
>
> Dan, remind me who is running a site purely to provide an opportunity to
> get
> buisness. Only you buddy, only you.
> wwrug aint the answer
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
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