James,

At the risk of furthering the thread for another day...

"
Only in this case, the OP could be relieved of employment and sued by
the individual.
"

It is possible to be sued for anything. However if you are sued for
telling the truth then you will not be "convicted" of anything except
telling the truth. This is nothing like "tattletales" in my opinion.
And even if it is... truth has a way of becoming known.

What anonymous should NOT do is run down the hall way screaming it at
the top of their lungs. That might be behaviour that is illegal due to
the "absurd about of damage" to the "accused" reputation by anonymous
actions. Even if the statement is true! (We live in a strange
legalistic world.)


Your corporate policies may or may not require you as an employee to
take action.

However, if anonymous does inform their employer in some
"HR"/"Security" channel then there should be zero repercussions. And
in fact the individual should not be informed who reported the truth.
It is the responsibility of groups like "HR" and "Security" to keep
things like this confidential during the investigation. If the "facts"
prove to be that the "accused" is certified then the investigation
ends and no harm done. (Again.. it was handled confidentially.) If the
investigation ends with the "accused" as NOT certified then anonymous
may or may not be directly involved. However, either way they should
be well protected by the quality of the investigation that is done.

But you will likely not be legally liable for any outcome of informing
your employer, in a discreet manor, of what you were told. (Even if
what you were told originally turns out to be wrong.) Let them decide
if it needs to go farther or get more time in investigation. Just make
sure you are accurate with statement like "I was told by person
"x" and I thought you should know."

How you found out may taint you as a source of creditable information,
but your employer can go to the "horses mouth" and find the full truth
for themselves.


If you think that the person is approachable, then you might offer
them the opportunity to convince you that you should not share what
you think you know with your employer. And/Or allow them to come with
you so that they can admit to it before you have to report it.


It is more honorable to admit to a mistake and apologise. But once the
whistle is blown... it is to late to avoid many repercussions. Your
simply caught and get to pay the price for the mistake. (Even if you
are a nice person. Rules have consequences.)

--
Carey Matthew Black
Remedy Skilled Professional (RSP)
ARS = Action Request System(Remedy)

Solution = People + Process + Tools
Fast, Accurate, Cheap.... Pick two.
Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence.

http://www.fellowshipchurch.com


On Apr 7, 2005 10:24 AM, James Mckenzie wrote:
> Patrick and the others:
>
> Wow! I never thought about that. However, I stand by my suggestion of the OP not going to his/her boss. This is sorta like the kid that tattletales. Only in this case, the OP could be relieved of employment and sued by the individual. I would approach the individual, advising them that I inadvertantly was made aware of the situation and give them a time period to correct the situation. This may be as simple as Remedy gave them the RSP anyway based upon work experience. (Yes, I would qualify as I have worked with Remedy products for over six years, but I still would feel better taking the test to see what I really know, not what I think I know.) The individual may be confused as to his/her RSP status. If they make no attempt to correct the situation, then I would take it through HR, anonymously. Let them sort it out. If the individual is then 'relieved of employment' this would be for company reasons and not look like a vendetta.
>
> James McKenzie


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Zandi,

Even IF his facts correct, it is still just a worthless piece of paper
we are talking about. If he knows his stuff, then its not my problem. Do
you want your kid to you every time his sister sticks her tongue out at
him, or every time the neighbors kid wont let him play with his toy car?
If so, you probably do not have kids.


>Andy L. Mayfield
>System Operation Specialist
>Alabama Power Company
Office: 8-226-1805


-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Zandi Patrick S TSgt
AFRL/IFOSS
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:00 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification

Remember RUG 2004 ?
Change management, The only person who knew what happened left and went
on
vacation, and the whole network went down.
Similar in principle, Lets say a coworker saw him doing something wrong
underhanded, that was going to take the whole network/site down.
What will hurt more ? Your knowledge of this & trying to sleep at night,
or
ensuring all is taken care of prior to a problem.

What if your kid was taught never to come to you or (tattle tail) ever.
Now his brother sips on the window cleaner or is playing with matches.

Are you to keep your tongue for your Brother or should I Honor my Father
and
Mother. Hmmm.

I would rather my son come to me.. And it be nothing, than for him to
keep
his tongue and kill someone.
I would rather my worker come to me.. And it be nothing, than for him to
keep his tongue and ruin me.

If the Master is unscrupulous, underhanded, and Dirty. Well.. It would
be
a blessing to work somewhere else anyways.
He will get his due, like the unmerciful servant of Matthew 18 ..
http://godsword.friendshipbaptist.us/B40C018.htm

I have to rebuild the friendshipbaptist.us site, but the GodsWord is
working
just fine..

Enough of this, lets get up and move on ...

=8 -)

Warrnen, I am hoping to be at RUG 2005 ! See ya there...

-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of James Mckenzie
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:25 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification

Patrick and the others:

Wow! I never thought about that. However, I stand by my suggestion of
the
OP not going to his/her boss. This is sorta like the kid that
tattletales.
Only in this case, the OP could be relieved of employment and sued by
the
individual. I would approach the individual, advising them that I
inadvertantly was made aware of the situation and give them a time
period to
correct the situation. This may be as simple as Remedy gave them the
RSP
anyway based upon work experience. (Yes, I would qualify as I have
worked
with Remedy products for over six years, but I still would feel better
taking the test to see what I really know, not what I think I know.)
The
individual may be confused as to his/her RSP status. If they make no
attempt to correct the situation, then I would take it through HR,
anonymously. Let them sort it out. If the individual is then 'relieved
of
employment' this would be for company reasons and not look like a
vendetta.

James McKenzie

-----Original Message-----
From: Zandi Patrick S TSgt AFRL/IFOSS
Sent: Apr 7, 2005 7:22 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: [ARSLIST] Need Advice: False Remedy Certification

Getting in Late on this thread.. Great comment.. Consider (Matt 18:23 to
the
end) the parable of the Unmerciful Servant::
The servants told their master. Why? Because they are servants!
You are not judging them, you are doing what is right. You have a
responsibility to your master / Employer. Now if they say don't worry
about
it.. The issue is on them (ur boss).

The idea that the Drug Dealer in your neighborhood is just going to
Automatically disappear, if I do nothing .. is wrong. If I confront
evil
with good (or what is right) then evil is in check. But if I do
nothing.. it
is then a Free for all..and is run a muck..

When I was a kid it was normal for the Bus Driver to "Whip your Butt"
and
then when you got home your DAD did the same.
or when you did something wrong in the neighborhood, your neighbor made
your
see the STARS while he laid out the Stripes, then your DAD did the same
!

Today a bus driver cannot even talk to a child without the parents
considering Legal Action.




From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Morey White
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:24 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification


**
Using "He that is without sin among you , let him first cast a stone..."
in
this situation is not spiritual wisdom but rather twisting the word to
meet
your needs or opinion. The question here is not judgement of a person.
Whether we like it or not the business of business is to make money and
as
employees we are responsible to that end. If this person has attended
the
training on the company's tab and has wasted the company's money by
failing
the training then the company needs to know about it. It doesn't matter
how
the facts were gathered it is the responsibility of the employee to
report
any fraudulent findings to management. This action is not judgement, it
is
just being a good employee.

Morey White
Support Services Group
AutoGas Systems, Inc.




Kathy Morris Sent by: "Action Request
System discussion list(ARSList)"



04/06/2005 08:02 PM
Please respond to arslist



To:
cc:
Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification



**
I agree with the spiritual wisdom that you received.

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone..."
This person's sin was "lying." Another person's sin may be perhaps a
gossiper, being judgmental, mean, revengeful, spiteful, disgracing
others,
lacking mercy, being unkind, stealing company time, debating, pride,
greed
or some area of sin.

I would not pull the blanket off this person. We all shall reap what we
sow.

We all have had our seasons where we may not have demonstrated a good
standard of ethics. Would you want someone to expose your sins to the
world? or to your department?


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You most certainly can be sued for telling "the truth". Say for instance
you accidentally gained knowledge of someone's medical records and
leaked it, you would be liable. I imagine the same may be true for
personal records. I know it would be taboo where I work. Of course even
discussing salaries with coworkers will get you fired where I work.


Andy L. Mayfield
System Operation Specialist
Alabama Power Company
Office: 8-226-1805


-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Carey Matthew Black
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:27 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification

James,

At the risk of furthering the thread for another day...

"
Only in this case, the OP could be relieved of employment and sued by
the individual.
"

It is possible to be sued for anything. However if you are sued for
telling the truth then you will not be "convicted" of anything except
telling the truth. This is nothing like "tattletales" in my opinion.
And even if it is... truth has a way of becoming known.

What anonymous should NOT do is run down the hall way screaming it at
the top of their lungs. That might be behaviour that is illegal due to
the "absurd about of damage" to the "accused" reputation by anonymous
actions. Even if the statement is true! (We live in a strange
legalistic world.)


Your corporate policies may or may not require you as an employee to
take action.

However, if anonymous does inform their employer in some
"HR"/"Security" channel then there should be zero repercussions. And
in fact the individual should not be informed who reported the truth.
It is the responsibility of groups like "HR" and "Security" to keep
things like this confidential during the investigation. If the "facts"
prove to be that the "accused" is certified then the investigation
ends and no harm done. (Again.. it was handled confidentially.) If the
investigation ends with the "accused" as NOT certified then anonymous
may or may not be directly involved. However, either way they should
be well protected by the quality of the investigation that is done.

But you will likely not be legally liable for any outcome of informing
your employer, in a discreet manor, of what you were told. (Even if
what you were told originally turns out to be wrong.) Let them decide
if it needs to go farther or get more time in investigation. Just make
sure you are accurate with statement like "I was told by person
"x" and I thought you should know."

How you found out may taint you as a source of creditable information,
but your employer can go to the "horses mouth" and find the full truth
for themselves.


If you think that the person is approachable, then you might offer
them the opportunity to convince you that you should not share what
you think you know with your employer. And/Or allow them to come with
you so that they can admit to it before you have to report it.


It is more honorable to admit to a mistake and apologise. But once the
whistle is blown... it is to late to avoid many repercussions. Your
simply caught and get to pay the price for the mistake. (Even if you
are a nice person. Rules have consequences.)

--
Carey Matthew Black
Remedy Skilled Professional (RSP)
ARS = Action Request System(Remedy)

Solution = People + Process + Tools
Fast, Accurate, Cheap.... Pick two.
Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence.

http://www.fellowshipchurch.com


On Apr 7, 2005 10:24 AM, James Mckenzie
wrote:
> Patrick and the others:
>
> Wow! I never thought about that. However, I stand by my suggestion
of the OP not going to his/her boss. This is sorta like the kid that
tattletales. Only in this case, the OP could be relieved of employment
and sued by the individual. I would approach the individual, advising
them that I inadvertantly was made aware of the situation and give them
a time period to correct the situation. This may be as simple as Remedy
gave them the RSP anyway based upon work experience. (Yes, I would
qualify as I have worked with Remedy products for over six years, but I
still would feel better taking the test to see what I really know, not
what I think I know.) The individual may be confused as to his/her RSP
status. If they make no attempt to correct the situation, then I would
take it through HR, anonymously. Let them sort it out. If the
individual is then 'relieved of employment' this would be for company
reasons and not look like a vendetta.
>
> James McKenzie



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I'm sorry...I just can't agree with this position. That's like saying
that you have a Bachelors Degree because you paid one of those internet
companies $20 to issue you one. Certifications are similar, in that
they can be used as consideration for a job as well as pay increases at
your current employment. Anon's company may try to get a contract based
on having an RSP in house (less likely with RSP vs RAC but still). Job
assignments in a group can be decided because one employee is more
'able' to do the job. I agree that if he has the skill then it doesn't
matter...but if he has the skill he should be able to get the piece of
paper that proves it. I just started college so I can get a BSCS, I'm
not putting myself through this because I feel the piece of paper will
make me a better person but because in the corporate world you can only
go so far without it. If Anon's co-worker feels that he is good enough
without the paper that's great, I've gotten this far in my career
without it but I would never lie and say I have one because I feel I
have the skills necessary to get one.

Mayfield, Andy L. wrote:
> Zandi,
>
> Even IF his facts correct, it is still just a worthless piece of paper
> we are talking about. If he knows his stuff, then its not my problem. Do
> you want your kid to you every time his sister sticks her tongue out at
> him, or every time the neighbors kid wont let him play with his toy car?
> If so, you probably do not have kids.
>
>
>
>>Andy L. Mayfield
>>System Operation Specialist
>>Alabama Power Company
>
> Office: 8-226-1805
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Zandi Patrick S TSgt
> AFRL/IFOSS
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:00 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
> Remember RUG 2004 ?
> Change management, The only person who knew what happened left and went
> on
> vacation, and the whole network went down.
> Similar in principle, Lets say a coworker saw him doing something wrong
> underhanded, that was going to take the whole network/site down.
> What will hurt more ? Your knowledge of this & trying to sleep at night,
> or
> ensuring all is taken care of prior to a problem.
>
> What if your kid was taught never to come to you or (tattle tail) ever.
> Now his brother sips on the window cleaner or is playing with matches.
>
> Are you to keep your tongue for your Brother or should I Honor my Father
> and
> Mother. Hmmm.
>
> I would rather my son come to me.. And it be nothing, than for him to
> keep
> his tongue and kill someone.
> I would rather my worker come to me.. And it be nothing, than for him to
> keep his tongue and ruin me.
>
> If the Master is unscrupulous, underhanded, and Dirty. Well.. It would
> be
> a blessing to work somewhere else anyways.
> He will get his due, like the unmerciful servant of Matthew 18 ..
> http://godsword.friendshipbaptist.us/B40C018.htm
>
> I have to rebuild the friendshipbaptist.us site, but the GodsWord is
> working
> just fine..
>
> Enough of this, lets get up and move on ...
>
> =8 -)
>
> Warrnen, I am hoping to be at RUG 2005 ! See ya there...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of James Mckenzie
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:25 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
> Patrick and the others:
>
> Wow! I never thought about that. However, I stand by my suggestion of
> the
> OP not going to his/her boss. This is sorta like the kid that
> tattletales.
> Only in this case, the OP could be relieved of employment and sued by
> the
> individual. I would approach the individual, advising them that I
> inadvertantly was made aware of the situation and give them a time
> period to
> correct the situation. This may be as simple as Remedy gave them the
> RSP
> anyway based upon work experience. (Yes, I would qualify as I have
> worked
> with Remedy products for over six years, but I still would feel better
> taking the test to see what I really know, not what I think I know.)
> The
> individual may be confused as to his/her RSP status. If they make no
> attempt to correct the situation, then I would take it through HR,
> anonymously. Let them sort it out. If the individual is then 'relieved
> of
> employment' this would be for company reasons and not look like a
> vendetta.
>
> James McKenzie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zandi Patrick S TSgt AFRL/IFOSS
> Sent: Apr 7, 2005 7:22 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: [ARSLIST] Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
> Getting in Late on this thread.. Great comment.. Consider (Matt 18:23 to
> the
> end) the parable of the Unmerciful Servant::
> The servants told their master. Why? Because they are servants!
> You are not judging them, you are doing what is right. You have a
> responsibility to your master / Employer. Now if they say don't worry
> about
> it.. The issue is on them (ur boss).
>
> The idea that the Drug Dealer in your neighborhood is just going to
> Automatically disappear, if I do nothing .. is wrong. If I confront
> evil
> with good (or what is right) then evil is in check. But if I do
> nothing.. it
> is then a Free for all..and is run a muck..
>
> When I was a kid it was normal for the Bus Driver to "Whip your Butt"
> and
> then when you got home your DAD did the same.
> or when you did something wrong in the neighborhood, your neighbor made
> your
> see the STARS while he laid out the Stripes, then your DAD did the same
> !
>
> Today a bus driver cannot even talk to a child without the parents
> considering Legal Action.
>
>
>
>
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Morey White
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:24 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
>
> **
> Using "He that is without sin among you , let him first cast a stone..."
> in
> this situation is not spiritual wisdom but rather twisting the word to
> meet
> your needs or opinion. The question here is not judgement of a person.
> Whether we like it or not the business of business is to make money and
> as
> employees we are responsible to that end. If this person has attended
> the
> training on the company's tab and has wasted the company's money by
> failing
> the training then the company needs to know about it. It doesn't matter
> how
> the facts were gathered it is the responsibility of the employee to
> report
> any fraudulent findings to management. This action is not judgement, it
> is
> just being a good employee.
>
> Morey White
> Support Services Group
> AutoGas Systems, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> Kathy Morris Sent by: "Action Request
> System discussion list(ARSList)"
>
>
>
> 04/06/2005 08:02 PM
> Please respond to arslist
>
>
>
> To:
> cc:
> Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
>
>
> **
> I agree with the spiritual wisdom that you received.
>
> "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone..."
> This person's sin was "lying." Another person's sin may be perhaps a
> gossiper, being judgmental, mean, revengeful, spiteful, disgracing
> others,
> lacking mercy, being unkind, stealing company time, debating, pride,
> greed
> or some area of sin.
>
> I would not pull the blanket off this person. We all shall reap what we
> sow.
>
> We all have had our seasons where we may not have demonstrated a good
> standard of ethics. Would you want someone to expose your sins to the
> world? or to your department?
>
>
> This posting was submitted via the Web
> interface
>
> This posting was submitted via the Web
> interface
>
>
>
>
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If he/she wants to jeopardize their own employment over an almost
worthless certificate that he THINKS the person may not have, more power
to them.


>Andy L. Mayfield
>System Operation Specialist
>Alabama Power Company
Office: 8-226-1805


-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of L. J. Head
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 12:21 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification

I'm sorry...I just can't agree with this position. That's like saying
that you have a Bachelors Degree because you paid one of those internet
companies $20 to issue you one. Certifications are similar, in that
they can be used as consideration for a job as well as pay increases at
your current employment. Anon's company may try to get a contract based
on having an RSP in house (less likely with RSP vs RAC but still). Job
assignments in a group can be decided because one employee is more
'able' to do the job. I agree that if he has the skill then it doesn't
matter...but if he has the skill he should be able to get the piece of
paper that proves it. I just started college so I can get a BSCS, I'm
not putting myself through this because I feel the piece of paper will
make me a better person but because in the corporate world you can only
go so far without it. If Anon's co-worker feels that he is good enough
without the paper that's great, I've gotten this far in my career
without it but I would never lie and say I have one because I feel I
have the skills necessary to get one.

Mayfield, Andy L. wrote:
> Zandi,
>
> Even IF his facts correct, it is still just a worthless piece of paper
> we are talking about. If he knows his stuff, then its not my problem.
Do
> you want your kid to you every time his sister sticks her tongue out
at
> him, or every time the neighbors kid wont let him play with his toy
car?
> If so, you probably do not have kids.
>
>
>
>>Andy L. Mayfield
>>System Operation Specialist
>>Alabama Power Company
>
> Office: 8-226-1805
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Zandi Patrick S TSgt
> AFRL/IFOSS
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:00 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
> Remember RUG 2004 ?
> Change management, The only person who knew what happened left and
went
> on
> vacation, and the whole network went down.
> Similar in principle, Lets say a coworker saw him doing something
wrong
> underhanded, that was going to take the whole network/site down.
> What will hurt more ? Your knowledge of this & trying to sleep at
night,
> or
> ensuring all is taken care of prior to a problem.
>
> What if your kid was taught never to come to you or (tattle tail)
ever.
> Now his brother sips on the window cleaner or is playing with matches.
>
> Are you to keep your tongue for your Brother or should I Honor my
Father
> and
> Mother. Hmmm.
>
> I would rather my son come to me.. And it be nothing, than for him to
> keep
> his tongue and kill someone.
> I would rather my worker come to me.. And it be nothing, than for him
to
> keep his tongue and ruin me.
>
> If the Master is unscrupulous, underhanded, and Dirty. Well.. It
would
> be
> a blessing to work somewhere else anyways.
> He will get his due, like the unmerciful servant of Matthew 18 ..
> http://godsword.friendshipbaptist.us/B40C018.htm
>
> I have to rebuild the friendshipbaptist.us site, but the GodsWord is
> working
> just fine..
>
> Enough of this, lets get up and move on ...
>
> =8 -)
>
> Warrnen, I am hoping to be at RUG 2005 ! See ya there...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of James Mckenzie
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:25 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
> Patrick and the others:
>
> Wow! I never thought about that. However, I stand by my suggestion
of
> the
> OP not going to his/her boss. This is sorta like the kid that
> tattletales.
> Only in this case, the OP could be relieved of employment and sued by
> the
> individual. I would approach the individual, advising them that I
> inadvertantly was made aware of the situation and give them a time
> period to
> correct the situation. This may be as simple as Remedy gave them the
> RSP
> anyway based upon work experience. (Yes, I would qualify as I have
> worked
> with Remedy products for over six years, but I still would feel better
> taking the test to see what I really know, not what I think I know.)
> The
> individual may be confused as to his/her RSP status. If they make no
> attempt to correct the situation, then I would take it through HR,
> anonymously. Let them sort it out. If the individual is then
'relieved
> of
> employment' this would be for company reasons and not look like a
> vendetta.
>
> James McKenzie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zandi Patrick S TSgt AFRL/IFOSS
> Sent: Apr 7, 2005 7:22 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: [ARSLIST] Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
> Getting in Late on this thread.. Great comment.. Consider (Matt 18:23
to
> the
> end) the parable of the Unmerciful Servant::
> The servants told their master. Why? Because they are servants!
> You are not judging them, you are doing what is right. You have a
> responsibility to your master / Employer. Now if they say don't worry
> about
> it.. The issue is on them (ur boss).
>
> The idea that the Drug Dealer in your neighborhood is just going to
> Automatically disappear, if I do nothing .. is wrong. If I confront
> evil
> with good (or what is right) then evil is in check. But if I do
> nothing.. it
> is then a Free for all..and is run a muck..
>
> When I was a kid it was normal for the Bus Driver to "Whip your Butt"
> and
> then when you got home your DAD did the same.
> or when you did something wrong in the neighborhood, your neighbor
made
> your
> see the STARS while he laid out the Stripes, then your DAD did the
same
> !
>
> Today a bus driver cannot even talk to a child without the parents
> considering Legal Action.
>
>
>
>
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Morey White
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:24 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
>
> **
> Using "He that is without sin among you , let him first cast a
stone..."
> in
> this situation is not spiritual wisdom but rather twisting the word to
> meet
> your needs or opinion. The question here is not judgement of a
person.
> Whether we like it or not the business of business is to make money
and
> as
> employees we are responsible to that end. If this person has attended
> the
> training on the company's tab and has wasted the company's money by
> failing
> the training then the company needs to know about it. It doesn't
matter
> how
> the facts were gathered it is the responsibility of the employee to
> report
> any fraudulent findings to management. This action is not judgement,
it
> is
> just being a good employee.
>
> Morey White
> Support Services Group
> AutoGas Systems, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> Kathy Morris Sent by: "Action Request
> System discussion list(ARSList)"
>
>
>
> 04/06/2005 08:02 PM
> Please respond to arslist
>
>
>
> To:
> cc:
> Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
>
>
> **
> I agree with the spiritual wisdom that you received.
>
> "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone..."
> This person's sin was "lying." Another person's sin may be perhaps a
> gossiper, being judgmental, mean, revengeful, spiteful, disgracing
> others,
> lacking mercy, being unkind, stealing company time, debating, pride,
> greed
> or some area of sin.
>
> I would not pull the blanket off this person. We all shall reap what
we
> sow.
>
> We all have had our seasons where we may not have demonstrated a good
> standard of ethics. Would you want someone to expose your sins to the
> world? or to your department?
>
>
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> interface
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Just not at StarBucks.

>>> ALMAYFIE@SOUTHERNCO.COM 04/07/2005 10:07 AM >>>
** We all need to remember that all of this is over a piece of paper that coupled with 50 cents might get you a cup of coffee.


Andy L. Mayfield
System Operation Specialist
Alabama Power Company
Office: 8-226-1805

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Zandi Patrick S TSgt AFRL/IFOSS
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:22 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification



** Getting in Late on this thread.. Great comment.. Consider (Matt 18:23 to the end) the parable of the Unmerciful Servant::
The servants told their master. Why? Because they are servants!
You are not judging them, you are doing what is right. You have a responsibility to your master / Employer. Now if they say don't worry about it.. The issue is on them (ur boss).

The idea that the Drug Dealer in your neighborhood is just going to Automatically disappear, if I do nothing .. is wrong. If I confront evil with good (or what is right) then evil is in check. But if I do nothing.. it is then a Free for all..and is run a muck..

When I was a kid it was normal for the Bus Driver to "Whip your Butt" and then when you got home your DAD did the same.
or when you did something wrong in the neighborhood, your neighbor made your see the STARS while he laid out the Stripes, then your DAD did the same !

Today a bus driver cannot even talk to a child without the parents considering Legal Action.


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Morey White
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:24 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification



**
Using "He that is without sin among you , let him first cast a stone..." in this situation is not spiritual wisdom but rather twisting the word to meet your needs or opinion. The question here is not judgement of a person. Whether we like it or not the business of business is to make money and as employees we are responsible to that end. If this person has attended the training on the company's tab and has wasted the company's money by failing the training then the company needs to know about it. It doesn't matter how the facts were gathered it is the responsibility of the employee to report any fraudulent findings to management. This action is not judgement, it is just being a good employee.

Morey White
Support Services Group
AutoGas Systems, Inc.



Kathy Morris
Sent by: "Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)"
04/06/2005 08:02 PM
Please respond to arslist

To:
cc:
Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification


**
I agree with the spiritual wisdom that you received.

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone..."
This person's sin was "lying." Another person's sin may be perhaps a gossiper,
being judgmental, mean, revengeful, spiteful, disgracing others, lacking mercy,
being unkind, stealing company time, debating, pride, greed or some area of sin.

I would not pull the blanket off this person. We all shall reap what we sow.

We all have had our seasons where we may not have demonstrated a good standard of ethics. Would you want someone to expose your sins to the world? or to your department?


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You may not discern the spiritual wisdom in the statement, then you missed a
good lesson. We have not twisted the Word, you have. We simply stated "He
that is without sin among you, let him cast a stone." Who said anything
about judgment of a person? Judgment is a separate issue. I had not addressed
"judgment" for we would be in trouble when Jesus Christ uses the same measuring
stick that is being used in these conversations.

For those who reference John 8:1-8, this Scripture is about the Pharisees
who felt the woman "caught in the act" should be punished for her sin. The
Scribes and Pharisees were picking a quarrel with Jesus Christ to ensnare Him.
They brought to Jesus an adulterous woman; who by Jewish law must be put to
death. This act of adultery was "brought to the light." The Scribes and
Pharisees bring her to Christ, and set her in the midst of the assembly and say,
"Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act." Later we are told
that the Pharisees themselves were not free from sin; they were within full
of all uncleanness." Matt 23:27-28. Commonly, those that are indulgent to
their own sin are severe against the sins of others. This passage was about
"stoning a sinner, when we ourselves are sinners." Via the content of the
emails that were flying, there were quite a few stones thrown.

The proof of the crime -- she was taken in the act, so that there was no
room left to plead not guilty. Jesus Christ stooped down, and wrote on the
ground. He silence them with this Word "He that is without sin among you, let him
first cast a stone at her." Jesus is referring to a Mosaic law that
prescribed the execution of criminals, that the hand of the witnesses must be first
upon the criminal (Deut 17:7). The Scribes and Pharisees [anonymous writer]
were the witnesses against this woman [the employee]. Jesus Christ builds
upon a morality, that it is very absurd for men to be zealous in punishing the
offences of others, while they are as guilty themselves, and they do the same
things themselves. Who in this forum has not lied? Who has not
misrepresented themselves at some time or another? Who has not pretended to be something
that they are not? Who does not steal company time?

I said the same: "If there be any of us who is without sin, that has not
some time or other been guilty of "lying", let him/her cast the first stone at
this employee."

When we find fault with others, we ought to reflect upon ourselves. Those
that are obliged to point out the faults of others must keep themselves pure
(Matt 7:5).

The Scribes and Pharisees were so struck with the words of Christ that they
no longer accused her: They went out one by one.


Jesus Christ told the woman, "Neither do I condemn thee; go, and sin no
more."

Reproving [correct someone] a person, Biblically means the greek word
"elegcho" which means to show one’s fault to point them towards "change, turning
around." It also can mean to warn or disapprove -- in a gentle, concerned, and
careful manner. The purpose of reproof is to restore the person -- not to
tear them down.

I do strongly disagree with what this person has done. Personally, my
nature is to speak one on one with a person. I would confront this person with
the hopes of helping the person turn around, not to shame them. It is about
"correction." If obeying God is your choice in life, then His way is to
correct a person "in love." Yes, the anonymous person does have a responsibility.
Confront this person, at least give them the opportunity to correct this
situation.

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Do we know what position the dude holds? If this is a consultancy, then
there is some *serious* business liability over his questionable claim to
the so called "worthless piece of paper" (as someone else put it). If
he's being sold as a professional resource, when in fact he is not, then
what happens to the company's business reputation when either the truth
comes out in an uncontrolled fashion -OR- the guy blows up a client's system?

In any event, put that monkey on the back of the closest supervisor. Give
them the full and truthful who, what, why, when, where & how you came about
the info and be done with it. If the company is worth working for, then it's
worth protecting it's reputation. Not to mention that the professional
Remedy resource community should *NOT* be known as a community that simply
shrugs off poseurs -- it should be known as a self-supporting community that
possesses and demands integrity.

-JD-


On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 11:37:56 -0500, Mayfield, Andy L.
wrote:

>Zandi,
>
>Even IF his facts correct, it is still just a worthless piece of paper
>we are talking about. If he knows his stuff, then its not my problem. Do
>you want your kid to you every time his sister sticks her tongue out at
>him, or every time the neighbors kid wont let him play with his toy car?
>If so, you probably do not have kids.
>
>
>>Andy L. Mayfield
>>System Operation Specialist
>>Alabama Power Company
> Office: 8-226-1805
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
>[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Zandi Patrick S TSgt
>AFRL/IFOSS
>Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:00 AM
>To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
>Remember RUG 2004 ?
>Change management, The only person who knew what happened left and went
>on
>vacation, and the whole network went down.
>Similar in principle, Lets say a coworker saw him doing something wrong
>underhanded, that was going to take the whole network/site down.
>What will hurt more ? Your knowledge of this & trying to sleep at night,
>or
>ensuring all is taken care of prior to a problem.
>
>What if your kid was taught never to come to you or (tattle tail) ever.
>Now his brother sips on the window cleaner or is playing with matches.
>
>Are you to keep your tongue for your Brother or should I Honor my Father
>and
>Mother. Hmmm.
>
>I would rather my son come to me.. And it be nothing, than for him to
>keep
>his tongue and kill someone.
>I would rather my worker come to me.. And it be nothing, than for him to
>keep his tongue and ruin me.
>
>If the Master is unscrupulous, underhanded, and Dirty. Well.. It would
>be
>a blessing to work somewhere else anyways.
>He will get his due, like the unmerciful servant of Matthew 18 ..
>http://godsword.friendshipbaptist.us/B40C018.htm
>
>I have to rebuild the friendshipbaptist.us site, but the GodsWord is
>working
>just fine..
>
>Enough of this, lets get up and move on ...
>
>=8 -)
>
>Warrnen, I am hoping to be at RUG 2005 ! See ya there...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
>[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of James Mckenzie
>Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:25 AM
>To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
>Patrick and the others:
>
>Wow! I never thought about that. However, I stand by my suggestion of
>the
>OP not going to his/her boss. This is sorta like the kid that
>tattletales.
>Only in this case, the OP could be relieved of employment and sued by
>the
>individual. I would approach the individual, advising them that I
>inadvertantly was made aware of the situation and give them a time
>period to
>correct the situation. This may be as simple as Remedy gave them the
>RSP
>anyway based upon work experience. (Yes, I would qualify as I have
>worked
>with Remedy products for over six years, but I still would feel better
>taking the test to see what I really know, not what I think I know.)
>The
>individual may be confused as to his/her RSP status. If they make no
>attempt to correct the situation, then I would take it through HR,
>anonymously. Let them sort it out. If the individual is then 'relieved
>of
>employment' this would be for company reasons and not look like a
>vendetta.
>
>James McKenzie
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Zandi Patrick S TSgt AFRL/IFOSS
>Sent: Apr 7, 2005 7:22 AM
>To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>Subject: Re: [ARSLIST] Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
>Getting in Late on this thread.. Great comment.. Consider (Matt 18:23 to
>the
>end) the parable of the Unmerciful Servant::
>The servants told their master. Why? Because they are servants!
>You are not judging them, you are doing what is right. You have a
>responsibility to your master / Employer. Now if they say don't worry
>about
>it.. The issue is on them (ur boss).
>
>The idea that the Drug Dealer in your neighborhood is just going to
>Automatically disappear, if I do nothing .. is wrong. If I confront
>evil
>with good (or what is right) then evil is in check. But if I do
>nothing.. it
>is then a Free for all..and is run a muck..
>
>When I was a kid it was normal for the Bus Driver to "Whip your Butt"
>and
>then when you got home your DAD did the same.
>or when you did something wrong in the neighborhood, your neighbor made
>your
>see the STARS while he laid out the Stripes, then your DAD did the same
>!
>
>Today a bus driver cannot even talk to a child without the parents
>considering Legal Action.
>
>
>
>
>From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
>[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Morey White
>Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:24 AM
>To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
>
>**
>Using "He that is without sin among you , let him first cast a stone..."
>in
>this situation is not spiritual wisdom but rather twisting the word to
>meet
>your needs or opinion. The question here is not judgement of a person.
>Whether we like it or not the business of business is to make money and
>as
>employees we are responsible to that end. If this person has attended
>the
>training on the company's tab and has wasted the company's money by
>failing
>the training then the company needs to know about it. It doesn't matter
>how
>the facts were gathered it is the responsibility of the employee to
>report
>any fraudulent findings to management. This action is not judgement, it
>is
>just being a good employee.
>
>Morey White
>Support Services Group
>AutoGas Systems, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> Kathy Morris Sent by: "Action Request
>System discussion list(ARSList)"
>
>
>
>04/06/2005 08:02 PM
>Please respond to arslist
>
>
>
> To:
> cc:
> Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
>
>
>**
>I agree with the spiritual wisdom that you received.
>
>"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone..."
>This person's sin was "lying." Another person's sin may be perhaps a
>gossiper, being judgmental, mean, revengeful, spiteful, disgracing
>others,
>lacking mercy, being unkind, stealing company time, debating, pride,
>greed
>or some area of sin.
>
>I would not pull the blanket off this person. We all shall reap what we
>sow.
>
>We all have had our seasons where we may not have demonstrated a good
>standard of ethics. Would you want someone to expose your sins to the
>world? or to your department?
>
>
>This posting was submitted via the Web
>interface
>
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The only way there could even possibly be any liability is if the
company was contracting his services out to customers and specifically
claiming that HE holds the certification. A company can be certified
without all their employees being so.


>Andy L. Mayfield
>System Operation Specialist
>Alabama Power Company
Office: 8-226-1805


-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of J. D. Hood
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 6:32 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification

Do we know what position the dude holds? If this is a consultancy, then
there is some *serious* business liability over his questionable claim
to
the so called "worthless piece of paper" (as someone else put
it). If
he's being sold as a professional resource, when in fact he is not, then
what happens to the company's business reputation when either the truth
comes out in an uncontrolled fashion -OR- the guy blows up a client's
system?

In any event, put that monkey on the back of the closest supervisor.
Give
them the full and truthful who, what, why, when, where & how you came
about
the info and be done with it. If the company is worth working for, then
it's
worth protecting it's reputation. Not to mention that the professional
Remedy resource community should *NOT* be known as a community that
simply
shrugs off poseurs -- it should be known as a self-supporting community
that
possesses and demands integrity.

-JD-


On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 11:37:56 -0500, Mayfield, Andy L.
wrote:

>Zandi,
>
>Even IF his facts correct, it is still just a worthless piece of paper
>we are talking about. If he knows his stuff, then its not my problem.
Do
>you want your kid to you every time his sister sticks her tongue out at
>him, or every time the neighbors kid wont let him play with his toy
car?
>If so, you probably do not have kids.
>
>
>>Andy L. Mayfield
>>System Operation Specialist
>>Alabama Power Company
> Office: 8-226-1805
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
>[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Zandi Patrick S TSgt
>AFRL/IFOSS
>Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:00 AM
>To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
>Remember RUG 2004 ?
>Change management, The only person who knew what happened left and went
>on
>vacation, and the whole network went down.
>Similar in principle, Lets say a coworker saw him doing something wrong
>underhanded, that was going to take the whole network/site down.
>What will hurt more ? Your knowledge of this & trying to sleep at
night,
>or
>ensuring all is taken care of prior to a problem.
>
>What if your kid was taught never to come to you or (tattle tail) ever.
>Now his brother sips on the window cleaner or is playing with matches.
>
>Are you to keep your tongue for your Brother or should I Honor my
Father
>and
>Mother. Hmmm.
>
>I would rather my son come to me.. And it be nothing, than for him to
>keep
>his tongue and kill someone.
>I would rather my worker come to me.. And it be nothing, than for him
to
>keep his tongue and ruin me.
>
>If the Master is unscrupulous, underhanded, and Dirty. Well.. It
would
>be
>a blessing to work somewhere else anyways.
>He will get his due, like the unmerciful servant of Matthew 18 ..
>http://godsword.friendshipbaptist.us/B40C018.htm
>
>I have to rebuild the friendshipbaptist.us site, but the GodsWord is
>working
>just fine..
>
>Enough of this, lets get up and move on ...
>
>=8 -)
>
>Warrnen, I am hoping to be at RUG 2005 ! See ya there...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
>[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of James Mckenzie
>Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:25 AM
>To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
>Patrick and the others:
>
>Wow! I never thought about that. However, I stand by my suggestion of
>the
>OP not going to his/her boss. This is sorta like the kid that
>tattletales.
>Only in this case, the OP could be relieved of employment and sued by
>the
>individual. I would approach the individual, advising them that I
>inadvertantly was made aware of the situation and give them a time
>period to
>correct the situation. This may be as simple as Remedy gave them the
>RSP
>anyway based upon work experience. (Yes, I would qualify as I have
>worked
>with Remedy products for over six years, but I still would feel better
>taking the test to see what I really know, not what I think I know.)
>The
>individual may be confused as to his/her RSP status. If they make no
>attempt to correct the situation, then I would take it through HR,
>anonymously. Let them sort it out. If the individual is then
'relieved
>of
>employment' this would be for company reasons and not look like a
>vendetta.
>
>James McKenzie
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Zandi Patrick S TSgt AFRL/IFOSS
>Sent: Apr 7, 2005 7:22 AM
>To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>Subject: Re: [ARSLIST] Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
>Getting in Late on this thread.. Great comment.. Consider (Matt 18:23
to
>the
>end) the parable of the Unmerciful Servant::
>The servants told their master. Why? Because they are servants!
>You are not judging them, you are doing what is right. You have a
>responsibility to your master / Employer. Now if they say don't worry
>about
>it.. The issue is on them (ur boss).
>
>The idea that the Drug Dealer in your neighborhood is just going to
>Automatically disappear, if I do nothing .. is wrong. If I confront
>evil
>with good (or what is right) then evil is in check. But if I do
>nothing.. it
>is then a Free for all..and is run a muck..
>
>When I was a kid it was normal for the Bus Driver to "Whip your Butt"
>and
>then when you got home your DAD did the same.
>or when you did something wrong in the neighborhood, your neighbor made
>your
>see the STARS while he laid out the Stripes, then your DAD did the same
>!
>
>Today a bus driver cannot even talk to a child without the parents
>considering Legal Action.
>
>
>
>
>From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
>[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Morey White
>Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:24 AM
>To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
>
>**
>Using "He that is without sin among you , let him first cast a
stone..."
>in
>this situation is not spiritual wisdom but rather twisting the word to
>meet
>your needs or opinion. The question here is not judgement of a person.
>Whether we like it or not the business of business is to make money and
>as
>employees we are responsible to that end. If this person has attended
>the
>training on the company's tab and has wasted the company's money by
>failing
>the training then the company needs to know about it. It doesn't
matter
>how
>the facts were gathered it is the responsibility of the employee to
>report
>any fraudulent findings to management. This action is not judgement,
it
>is
>just being a good employee.
>
>Morey White
>Support Services Group
>AutoGas Systems, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> Kathy Morris Sent by: "Action Request
>System discussion list(ARSList)"
>
>
>
>04/06/2005 08:02 PM
>Please respond to arslist
>
>
>
> To:
> cc:
> Subject: Re: Need Advice: False Remedy Certification
>
>
>
>**
>I agree with the spiritual wisdom that you received.
>
>"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone..."
>This person's sin was "lying." Another person's sin may be perhaps a
>gossiper, being judgmental, mean, revengeful, spiteful, disgracing
>others,
>lacking mercy, being unkind, stealing company time, debating, pride,
>greed
>or some area of sin.
>
>I would not pull the blanket off this person. We all shall reap what
we
>sow.
>
>We all have had our seasons where we may not have demonstrated a good
>standard of ethics. Would you want someone to expose your sins to the
>world? or to your department?
>
>
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